When you die you are in space. Time is no longer linear. You travel in space to the same moment in time. You can go anywhere in space, but you will always be in the exact same moment. What moment in time do you choose?
This makes me consider what it would be like to not have to choose and to just be content in what Is. Wouldn’t the combination of those two things define what freedom just might be?
@spitfire3dc Not sure. I am all for contentment, but then again, does discontentment drive improvement? If we had been content with slavery, we would not have wanted to change anything.
@Scarlett I referring to a much broader context in which we aren’t in a position to influence others, or they, us. I don’t think I really answered your specific question. It just triggered the thought.
I’ll try to go to a moment that matters to me. It happens when the light around me is described by Hollywood scripted Indians as “when the shadows go long”. Just before dusk. If there are pine trees and a clear, calm lake I am in Heaven, so if my moment has that sense of awesome, without all the scenery; I’m good.
@griz I can’t do it, so i’m not there. It’s like telling a paraplegic just because he can remember when he had full use of his body that he can still physically do the exact things he remembers he can do.
@Jear77
It is true that we cannot do it. But continually striking a stance of judging God based on the presumption that we could have done better as Creator is a prime example of an absurdity that we benefit in being “saved” from.
Because it very effectively toxifies understanding and outlook.
@griz The point of the matter is that an outlook and understanding wouldn’t be able to be toxified if the book (or rather collection of books if you want to get technical) didn’t exist OR state certain things/ have certain themes.
@griz There’s nothing to respect or misuse because there are certain things that should simply not exist. You claim injury, pain, and death is an ultimately good thing (yet you don’t go around seeking harm for some strange reason), that problems help us grow, that such things are what helps us connect with each other. I have the opposite point of view.
@griz Yet if the responsibilities shouldn’t exist in the first place and only do because of either an epic miscalculation or deliberately due to the fact that those in charge wish to force those they created to rely on them making their followers victims of stockholm syndorme… this becomes a huge problem.
@griz Created out of love who has ABSOLUTELY +++ZERO+++ problems throwing not only you but LITERALLY ===EVERY=== ^^^SINGLE^^^ ###PERSON### into hell if they reject him. And this is love? No!
@Jear77
Very great lengths were taken to make sure our greatest “triumph” was not throwing ourselves into the cosmic biz-bag!
Anyone who rejects Life . . . embraces Death.
And the “love” is in honoring us with choice when we are of an age to choose wisely.
We cannot spend our lives conjuring bogey-men who are at-fault . . . for our choosing poorly! And then find fault with the nanny when the 45 y.o. isn’t blocked from sticking their tongue in an electrical outlet!
@griz that isn’t a choice. It’s a false dichotomy. Remember that comic i loaded awhile back? You can’t be sure if what awaits you after death is anything, another god, or you reawaken as a baby elsewhere. The god of the bible has the exact same characteristics as the flying spaghetti monster.
I found a different one. And we each bear continued witness to them. (But do you really want to continue making it known you worshiped and devoted so much of your life to such a foolish noodle-pile?)
I don’t know what awaits after physical death. But I know the spiritual Life that is abundant in this moment. A sufficient amount that as I’ve said, if there’s nothing awaiting I will die totally content and fulfilled.
And if they’re even more awaiting after physical death I’ll be . . . well . . . in heaven!
We have been gifted the ultimate choice: to participate with the very quintessential Essence of Life . . . or not.
If you in your awesomness have crafted something “better”, you are welcomed to it and God won’t interfere with your choice to reject Life.
@griz a life that will ultimately end. Just as every single person’s before you. And living for something that is on the other side of death instad of making full use of the time here experiencing all life has to offer vs. a VERY small amount of things that are permitted by the bible, is… sad.
@Jear77
Good science still allows that there may be an afterlife . . . because it’s found no concrete refuting of it. It’s only the “bad science” of things like skepticism, positivism and scientism that try to strike the very hubrised stance that not finding concrete evidence of something is the only proof necessary that it doesn’t exist. (Ie, if it did, mighty-me would find it)
Again, you testify to the god you experienced in what Paul called “dead words written on paper”, and “the ministry of death [that brings awareness of death] writtn on stone”. I register zero surprise it has led you were it has.
I testify to the God of Life. And any sadness here is quickly turned into joy.
Are you truly vexed and traumatized at even the consideration of a stance from which everything in time can only assist in making you stronger?
@griz that actually is a fallacy. Lemmings the video game had antics like that… lemmings IRL don’t do such things. don’t you think they’d be extinct by now if they did?
@Jear77
You started your homework but never finished it. ( how many times have you heard that?) I would invite you to do so and point out where the fallacy is.
(Hint: it’s not in the behavior existing, it’s in our interpretation or understanding of it to our liking. This links to our discussions on objective Truth vs subjective truth)
Remember that ego not under proper control would have us abandoning the quest not when Truth is found but when something that massages the ego is found.
The analogy of the 1% who does not engage in common behavior prevailing . . . Remains valid.
@griz I was pointing out you’re grasping for straws when introducing a video game character, the real life analog doesn’t do the same thing, because the resulting end to said behavior would not be “survival” as is prevalent in nature, but complete suicide of the species.
@Jear77
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I have no knowledge of that video game or that character. My observations are based in real life. ( Mass migration in response to overcrowding in Arctic ecosystems)
It’s good to turn the video games off when it’s time for homework!
I am not 100% sure we have souls, so will I be floating around space? I have no idea. But, what I do know; I need somewhere to put my body when I die. I have plans for a green burial. Wrap my body in a mushroom suit, and let the mushrooms absorb the toxins from my body. I will turn into the earth as beautiful compost, and enrich the soil. My last gift to my earth.
The site is glitching very badly for me. I can no longer access notifications or post new questions. Maybe it is because I am accessing off of a Mac, but the site is almost entirely unusable at this point.
33 responses to “a moment in space”
take me to the beach man!
This makes me consider what it would be like to not have to choose and to just be content in what Is. Wouldn’t the combination of those two things define what freedom just might be?
@spitfire3dc Not sure. I am all for contentment, but then again, does discontentment drive improvement? If we had been content with slavery, we would not have wanted to change anything.
@Scarlett I referring to a much broader context in which we aren’t in a position to influence others, or they, us. I don’t think I really answered your specific question. It just triggered the thought.
I’ll try to go to a moment that matters to me. It happens when the light around me is described by Hollywood scripted Indians as “when the shadows go long”. Just before dusk. If there are pine trees and a clear, calm lake I am in Heaven, so if my moment has that sense of awesome, without all the scenery; I’m good.
When I might find myself non-linear there could be many moments I might choose to re-visit. To narrow it to just one would be too . . . linear!
take me before the big bang.
@Jear77
Are you sure you’re not already there, at least in your own mind!?
Consider your tendency to want to re-write everything that proceeded from this event, to your liking!
@griz I can’t do it, so i’m not there. It’s like telling a paraplegic just because he can remember when he had full use of his body that he can still physically do the exact things he remembers he can do.
@Jear77
It is true that we cannot do it. But continually striking a stance of judging God based on the presumption that we could have done better as Creator is a prime example of an absurdity that we benefit in being “saved” from.
Because it very effectively toxifies understanding and outlook.
@griz The point of the matter is that an outlook and understanding wouldn’t be able to be toxified if the book (or rather collection of books if you want to get technical) didn’t exist OR state certain things/ have certain themes.
@Jear77
As you pointed out recently, everything has the ability to harm us.
And as I pointed out in response only if we misuse (or don’t respect) them!
@griz There’s nothing to respect or misuse because there are certain things that should simply not exist. You claim injury, pain, and death is an ultimately good thing (yet you don’t go around seeking harm for some strange reason), that problems help us grow, that such things are what helps us connect with each other. I have the opposite point of view.
@Jear77
When we are children we fantasize realities with no consequence: mistaking irresponsibility for freedom.
It is the result of thinking ourselves the very center of creation.
Which is alleged to be what tripped up the most powerful created being.
@griz Yet if the responsibilities shouldn’t exist in the first place and only do because of either an epic miscalculation or deliberately due to the fact that those in charge wish to force those they created to rely on them making their followers victims of stockholm syndorme… this becomes a huge problem.
@Jear77
The child knows nothing of responsibilities and needs to be taught.
I don’t know about you, but I am not an epic miscalculation! I am a loved child, plant from before the beginning of time as I can currently grasp it.
The only “kidnapper” in the scenarios you propose, is one’s own fears and ego. And these are the very things we need delivering come from.
@griz no, the kidnapper is the god that created you, forcing you into this existence- or so you say.
@Jear77
I have a God who created me and loves me.
You have a god that you created who kidnapped you and has you fearing Stockholm’s.
We both started following dead man-made religions. Then I chose to stop following things based in finite understanding, owned by Death.
And now we both stand up to bear witness to our chosen Almighty.
It’s poignant that they appear to be polar opposites.
@griz Created out of love who has ABSOLUTELY +++ZERO+++ problems throwing not only you but LITERALLY ===EVERY=== ^^^SINGLE^^^ ###PERSON### into hell if they reject him. And this is love? No!
@Jear77
Very great lengths were taken to make sure our greatest “triumph” was not throwing ourselves into the cosmic biz-bag!
Anyone who rejects Life . . . embraces Death.
And the “love” is in honoring us with choice when we are of an age to choose wisely.
We cannot spend our lives conjuring bogey-men who are at-fault . . . for our choosing poorly! And then find fault with the nanny when the 45 y.o. isn’t blocked from sticking their tongue in an electrical outlet!
@griz that isn’t a choice. It’s a false dichotomy. Remember that comic i loaded awhile back? You can’t be sure if what awaits you after death is anything, another god, or you reawaken as a baby elsewhere. The god of the bible has the exact same characteristics as the flying spaghetti monster.
@Jear77
The god you found in religion does.
I found a different one. And we each bear continued witness to them. (But do you really want to continue making it known you worshiped and devoted so much of your life to such a foolish noodle-pile?)
I don’t know what awaits after physical death. But I know the spiritual Life that is abundant in this moment. A sufficient amount that as I’ve said, if there’s nothing awaiting I will die totally content and fulfilled.
And if they’re even more awaiting after physical death I’ll be . . . well . . . in heaven!
We have been gifted the ultimate choice: to participate with the very quintessential Essence of Life . . . or not.
If you in your awesomness have crafted something “better”, you are welcomed to it and God won’t interfere with your choice to reject Life.
@griz a life that will ultimately end. Just as every single person’s before you. And living for something that is on the other side of death instad of making full use of the time here experiencing all life has to offer vs. a VERY small amount of things that are permitted by the bible, is… sad.
@Jear77
Good science still allows that there may be an afterlife . . . because it’s found no concrete refuting of it. It’s only the “bad science” of things like skepticism, positivism and scientism that try to strike the very hubrised stance that not finding concrete evidence of something is the only proof necessary that it doesn’t exist. (Ie, if it did, mighty-me would find it)
Again, you testify to the god you experienced in what Paul called “dead words written on paper”, and “the ministry of death [that brings awareness of death] writtn on stone”. I register zero surprise it has led you were it has.
I testify to the God of Life. And any sadness here is quickly turned into joy.
Are you truly vexed and traumatized at even the consideration of a stance from which everything in time can only assist in making you stronger?
@griz once again we get to the 73% needed. NO ONE is able to live 73% longer than the average population!
@Jear77
The more you use 73%, the more I am convinced that 73% will NOT be able to save you from yourself!
Even one lemming, not willing to follow the 99% over a cliff, can (will?) become the progenitor of a new generation.
@griz that actually is a fallacy. Lemmings the video game had antics like that… lemmings IRL don’t do such things. don’t you think they’d be extinct by now if they did?
@Jear77
You started your homework but never finished it. ( how many times have you heard that?) I would invite you to do so and point out where the fallacy is.
(Hint: it’s not in the behavior existing, it’s in our interpretation or understanding of it to our liking. This links to our discussions on objective Truth vs subjective truth)
Remember that ego not under proper control would have us abandoning the quest not when Truth is found but when something that massages the ego is found.
The analogy of the 1% who does not engage in common behavior prevailing . . . Remains valid.
@griz I was pointing out you’re grasping for straws when introducing a video game character, the real life analog doesn’t do the same thing, because the resulting end to said behavior would not be “survival” as is prevalent in nature, but complete suicide of the species.
@Jear77
??
I have no knowledge of that video game or that character. My observations are based in real life. ( Mass migration in response to overcrowding in Arctic ecosystems)
It’s good to turn the video games off when it’s time for homework!
I would like to be just South of Alturas, CA and stay in the California Pines Lodge forever.
I am not 100% sure we have souls, so will I be floating around space? I have no idea. But, what I do know; I need somewhere to put my body when I die. I have plans for a green burial. Wrap my body in a mushroom suit, and let the mushrooms absorb the toxins from my body. I will turn into the earth as beautiful compost, and enrich the soil. My last gift to my earth.
The site is glitching very badly for me. I can no longer access notifications or post new questions. Maybe it is because I am accessing off of a Mac, but the site is almost entirely unusable at this point.
@saintcharlie that happened to me a while back, too, and I had to tell admin