What do we do about this? Should we punish law abiding gun owners by implementing unconstitutional legislation or should we punish the FBI for not doing their job?
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/FBI-transcript-02-23-2018.pdf
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12 responses to “As of 1/18/2018 the FBI knew without a doubt that Florida shooter was a threat”
So what did the government do when it became clear a few people were abusing their constitutional right to freedom of movement to cause crashes at intersections?
Why should they “punish” all the people who were being kind and courteous by “illegally” denying their freedom of movement with traffic lights just for the sake of greater public safety??
BTW, the FBI probably has a hard time doing it’s job because of all the NRA noobs hamstringing their efforts. And the legal system could be doing a far better job if the NRA wasn’t bullying the CDC away from doing the necessary research to come to the evidence-backed conclusions that lawmakers have relied upon for years to help them make informed decisions.
Better gun control has been proven to work, on a stage far more expansive than just the US. (But that’s “foreign” research and conclusions and we have no home-grown data or evidence (because the CDC has been blocked by us, tee hee)).
Freedoms mean that you can delude yourself into paradigms of self-righteousness and trying to shift blame. But it also means everyone else can call BULLSHIT!
Remember . . . this is just an amendment. And amendments can be . . . amended!
But seriously, they’re not “coming for your guns”. Control doesn’t mean elimination. Other countries have controlled their guns . . . without eliminating them.
@griz
Did you read the transcript?
@Weenis
It is important only to the attempt to dodge the pertinent issue.
I learned a long time ago that dodging issues rarely makes them go away.
@griz
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Your entire response to my original post has nothing to do with the transcript. Your subsequent response to me lacks any thought and clarity. The only person dodging here is you.
@Weenis
Your publishing the transcript has nothing to do with the core issue of gun violence in the US.
It’s just looking to shift blame.
Is dodging a dodge, a dodge? Or just trying to return rational discussion to the pertinent issue of the root cause of the gun violence rates seen in the US.
@griz
Well, thus far the argument is, “Look at this Florida situation, it proves we have a gun problem in America!”
And my response is, “This Florida situation wouldn’t be an issue if the FBI had done their job. Prior to and after Florida, I reject the notion that there’s a gun problem.”
It’s not that I’m dodging anything, I don’t think there’s an issue of gun violence in the US. I’ve brought it up over and over and over again, according to FBI statistics, gun violence in America has been decreasing. But that conversation with you guys never seems to go anywhere.
@Weenis
I know.
It’s annoying when the hounds won’t follow the false-trail you’ve set. But you might have to get used to it.
I get the feeling that the rest of the people are catching onto the red herrings the NRA trains its ideologues to employ.
Keep in mind that your entire membership would be easily out-numbered by the “Planet Fittness” membership! If just that number of people would show up at all hearings advocating gun control and push for allowing the CDC to use public dollars to produce evidence-backed advice on how to deal with the outrageous gun-violence issue affecting all public places in America for lawmakers to proceed on
. . . you would have to go hide in your bunker with your good friends seething anger and twitchy paranoia! (And that’s going to end well!)
BTW, the conversation absolutely refuses to “go anywhere” by your estimation, as soon as the red herrings are ignored and people return to logic-driven critical analysis of the core underlying problem.
For starters, the CDC needs to be freed up and funding restored to examine the problem with logic and critical analysis — perhaps even looking at the effect of positive gun control in other countries. NRA fear and stalling tactics need to cease. People need to stop treating just one amendment as if it’s sacred over all the rest — including the right to public safety and security.
The US has over-ridden constitutional rights and amendments before for the sake of greater public safety. And it looks like it might happen again.
And about bloody time!
Problem is the cry wolf and conspiracy theorist mindset of the far right. Blaming the victims as being undercover agents is well past insane. And this is common, and accepted. Alex Jones is well past insane. And everybody knows it.
This argument you make is sound.
But, have you also supported the sickening, far right conspiracy theories.
Because of hunting, guns probably won’t go away in the states.
But, because of the modern, conspiracy theory mindset? They very well may.
People who supported “pizzagate” and passed it on (like fmr DIA leader Flynn — who surely was corrupt DIA leader)… people who supported “sandy hook as a conspiracy”… that is the new normal. It is wrong. People who do these things, are liars, and evil devils.
As for FBI, that is a sound argument, though you have to excise all the craziness, which is not happening to even begin to get improvements there.
You may just support this argument because Deep State America really is against Trump (and that is Trump’s fault).
Deep State America is patriotic, the far right are as treasonous as the very far left who support Communism.
Teacher’s response to Trump’s idea on arming teachers: #ArmMeWith
Trump blames Florida school shooting on Russia investigation
The president said in a tweet that the FBI “missed” a tip about Nikolas Cruz because it was busy with the Russia investigation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA…
What a pile of shit this so called president is.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/18/17024862/trump-russia-school-shooting-fbi-investigation
@Gina
Welcome to last week.
He literally didn’t blame the Florida shooting on Russia, he said maybe the FBI would have been more attentive to the situation if they weren’t so busy with the fake Russian investigation.
And he’s right, it’s a funny stab at the misuse of time pursuing an agenda driven investigation with no evidence of misconduct.
More humor from the dumbest president ever:
5 time deferment from the military for bone spurs president Donald Trump’s said he would’ve run into the school in Parkland to save the students.
Trump has previously expressed disgust for seeing blood, saying that “it’s just not my thing.”
“I’m not good for medical. In other words, if you cut your finger and there’s blood pouring out, I’m gone,” he told radio host Howard Stern in 2008.
In the same interview, he went on to describe a charity event at his Mar-a-Lago resort, during which he looked away when a man fell off the stage and started bleeding.
“He was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him … he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible,” Trump said. “You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red.”
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAAA!!! Lying sack of shit.