@Gina not necessarily “bad” – or leastwise not the way you think.
Think laws: one person bad experience makes a whole group of people (who didn’t even experience it) laws to protect everyone else
Think circumstances: one bad interaction with X type of a person (who may not have been bad) and people start to think everyone who is X type has Y bad characteristics
Perhaps not you personally, but the human nature that we all share . . . and at times don’t control. Hell, we even delight in not controlling it!
Controlling it in a loving way that builds up the society rather than tearing it down.
I don’t care who you are or how “saintly” you might think you are. You have done stupid, selfish, irresponsible things in your life. Things that had they been caught, would have likely resulted in restrictive rules or standards being implemented or benefits being rescinded.
Any who claim they have not, either don’t know themselves that well or are liars!
@griz that too is a logic disconnect. Are you going to tell newborns to wipe themselves? Or people who are paralyzed from the neck down? Or what about everything else that has one – that’s not human – they don’t bother.
@Jear77
Of course bad things can and probably will happen!
But our job is to get our shit together so we can heal learn and move on in timely fashion rather than sitting around pissing and moaning that Life (God) hates us!
Religion cannot do this.
Science sure as hell cannot. (That’s not its mandate)
And a religion of scientism doesn’t have a hope.
@Jear77
Of course bad things can and probably will happen!
But our job is to get our shit together so we can heal learn and move on in timely fashion rather than sitting around pissing and moaning that Life (God) hates us!
Religion cannot do this.
Science sure as hell cannot. (That’s not its mandate)
And a religion of scientism doesn’t have a hope.
@griz not can. Will. You don’t get it. Definite. 100% probability, given enough time. And because this is life… it’s not something that occurs once in awhile. It happens daily. Multiple times a day. Every second of every day to someone.
@griz Because in every other system there is no proof. It’s not something I can LITERALLY (or figuratively) “take to the bank” – it’s nothing that I can do X, and always get Y in return, no excuses, no exceptions, no variances. I need something that infinitely and completely predictable in every sense of the word. Something that will do what I want, when I want it, how I want it. Anything else is less than garbage to me.
@Jear77
Correction. There was no proof within the narrow parameters of the limited experiment you undertook with religion.
And the only proof you have now set yourself up to accept is 3rd-party proof from a paradigm does not have a mandate in said arena.
By the way I meant scientism not Scientology. Science can only tell you what something physically is; not how to behaviorally interact with it across the broad range of meta games unto success.
@griz ok… let’s play your game. Tell me how i can procure the BILLIONS i am asking for. Once the $ is safe and secure in cash where i can access it, then we can talk
@Jear77
How is success at just this one small game, success at the broad range of the meta game?
It seems that you are willing to sacrifice success at many of them just for the sake of success at the one.
It seems that you have fixated on just one of the most fleeting and ultimately meaningless of games
@griz If there’s anything else, until I face the “else” with it in front of me, I am unwilling to budge. My price is currently set. And it doubles yearly. And I only doubled it for 20 years. How much more would it be if I doubled it for the current span of my life?
@Jear77
So you only see . . . financial games in life??
Or perhaps feel that they are the only ones worth winning???
And does “winnable” in a financial sense, mean it is worth winning?
You may not understand that life is a series of games: the Meta Game. And to sacrifice too much to win just one little game May disqualify you for overall success in the Fuller Game of Life.
@Jear77
Actually, I rather actively and aggressively explored ways to get by with very little amounts of it, and even in the total absence of it (self-sustainable living off the land).
There are resolutions to the equation of a “successful life” that don’t involve money.
But they may not be as luxurious as we might like!
@griz and how often than not do such things end in death, when unprepared? If you encounter the world’s deadliest snake, no amount of preparation will save you. If it can bite you, you have literally 3 steps to live – that’s how fast its venom works. If you don’t know an area and aren’t careful enough you can go onto thin ice or into water unaware and if you can’t get out of your clothes and equipment because they are dragging you down into their airless depths, you have about 3 minutes to live. When you don’t know how to get out of the elements, if the weather is severe, and no on is looking for you and you get in trouble, you have 3 hours to live. Maybe more if you can’t rig a shelter bit CAN figure out how to get/ keep a going. But huddling over a fire in certain temperatures do basically no good. If you can’t get potable water, you have 3 days to live. If you drink bad water you may only have less than that depending on what it’s contaminated by. Even fancy filters won’t filter out radiation. And there are some contaminants that laugh at even reverse osmosis. Eating the wrong thing without bathroom facilities can put you in a world of hurt or cause your death because they’re poisonous, venomous, or both. So let’s say you get kidnapped and dumped into an area you didn’t study the plant an animal life for with only the clothes on your back and your wits (no cell phone to look up “is this safe to eat”) – most people would simply die than risk exposing themselves to something!
@Jear77
Fear of death is a poor reason to live life as a slave to fear.
And back this up with the delusion that one is totally safe from death in their apartment in the city?? This perhaps falls into the same category of “luxury we’ve become accustomed to”.
@griz i understand in the right (rare) circumstances the city can be (and is) a deathtrap! Those circumstances one can often avoid by looking for the writing on the wall. I know we modern folks are sciencetific and all, but not many people would be able to ignore a disembodied hand writing
@Jear77
The same can be done in nature and with far fewer variables. Because nature follows her laws to the letter.
People do not.
It’s kind of cute that you think modern people are “scientific and all”, in a naive sort of way. The truth is we are far more animalistically driven been scientifically driven. And the often unstable mix of ego superego and id can spin off into some truly malicious exercises that are rarely if ever seen in natural settings.
33 responses to “How/ why does one person ruin it for everyone?”
I don’t quite get the question. One bad apple???
@Gina not necessarily “bad” – or leastwise not the way you think.
Think laws: one person bad experience makes a whole group of people (who didn’t even experience it) laws to protect everyone else
Think circumstances: one bad interaction with X type of a person (who may not have been bad) and people start to think everyone who is X type has Y bad characteristics
@Gina
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The “how” and “why” . . . is you.
Perhaps not you personally, but the human nature that we all share . . . and at times don’t control. Hell, we even delight in not controlling it!
Controlling it in a loving way that builds up the society rather than tearing it down.
I don’t care who you are or how “saintly” you might think you are. You have done stupid, selfish, irresponsible things in your life. Things that had they been caught, would have likely resulted in restrictive rules or standards being implemented or benefits being rescinded.
Any who claim they have not, either don’t know themselves that well or are liars!
@griz but the thing if it is… why let one person dictate EVERYONE else? It makes no sense.
@Jear77
Have you ever let a bad experience with one person dictate how you look at other people????
One cannot just swap standards around because we might not like them in a particular circumstance.
We applied labels like a “double-standard” and “hypocritical” to such behavior in for good reason.
@griz and who among us doesn’t have double standards? Who isn’t a hypocrite? Because I know these things about me, i embrace them.
@Jear77
Logic disconnect.
Who among us doesn’t have an asshole?
And just because one does, is no reason to not keep it clean.
@griz that too is a logic disconnect. Are you going to tell newborns to wipe themselves? Or people who are paralyzed from the neck down? Or what about everything else that has one – that’s not human – they don’t bother.
@Jear77
Are you an infant or paralyzed? Physically? Morally? Logistically? Mentally? Phychologically?
Even spiritually, we are told to grow the heck up and stop being infants.
You’re reaching again.
@griz as are you if you don’t see those realities as things that actually happen
@Jear77
Of course bad things can and probably will happen!
But our job is to get our shit together so we can heal learn and move on in timely fashion rather than sitting around pissing and moaning that Life (God) hates us!
Religion cannot do this.
Science sure as hell cannot. (That’s not its mandate)
And a religion of scientism doesn’t have a hope.
@griz uhm… there’s not a person in the history of existence that a bad thing did not happen to…
@Jear77
Of course bad things can and probably will happen!
But our job is to get our shit together so we can heal learn and move on in timely fashion rather than sitting around pissing and moaning that Life (God) hates us!
Religion cannot do this.
Science sure as hell cannot. (That’s not its mandate)
And a religion of scientism doesn’t have a hope.
@griz not can. Will. You don’t get it. Definite. 100% probability, given enough time. And because this is life… it’s not something that occurs once in awhile. It happens daily. Multiple times a day. Every second of every day to someone.
@Jear77
Exactly.
So why buy so religiously into an ideology (scientology) that patently CANNOT help you weather them?
@griz Because in every other system there is no proof. It’s not something I can LITERALLY (or figuratively) “take to the bank” – it’s nothing that I can do X, and always get Y in return, no excuses, no exceptions, no variances. I need something that infinitely and completely predictable in every sense of the word. Something that will do what I want, when I want it, how I want it. Anything else is less than garbage to me.
@Jear77
Correction. There was no proof within the narrow parameters of the limited experiment you undertook with religion.
And the only proof you have now set yourself up to accept is 3rd-party proof from a paradigm does not have a mandate in said arena.
By the way I meant scientism not Scientology. Science can only tell you what something physically is; not how to behaviorally interact with it across the broad range of meta games unto success.
@griz ok… let’s play your game. Tell me how i can procure the BILLIONS i am asking for. Once the $ is safe and secure in cash where i can access it, then we can talk
@Jear77
How is success at just this one small game, success at the broad range of the meta game?
It seems that you are willing to sacrifice success at many of them just for the sake of success at the one.
It seems that you have fixated on just one of the most fleeting and ultimately meaningless of games
@griz If there’s anything else, until I face the “else” with it in front of me, I am unwilling to budge. My price is currently set. And it doubles yearly. And I only doubled it for 20 years. How much more would it be if I doubled it for the current span of my life?
@Jear77
So winning this one small game is worth sacrificing many of the other games you could successfully play?
@griz any game is winnable if one has the right pieces. All it takes is the right financial motivation.
@Jear77
So you only see . . . financial games in life??
Or perhaps feel that they are the only ones worth winning???
And does “winnable” in a financial sense, mean it is worth winning?
You may not understand that life is a series of games: the Meta Game. And to sacrifice too much to win just one little game May disqualify you for overall success in the Fuller Game of Life.
@griz it’s (money) what makes the world go around.
@Jear77
But the love of money that is the root of many evils.
@griz true. But tell me how far you personally could get without it. Nowhere.
@Jear77
Actually, I rather actively and aggressively explored ways to get by with very little amounts of it, and even in the total absence of it (self-sustainable living off the land).
There are resolutions to the equation of a “successful life” that don’t involve money.
But they may not be as luxurious as we might like!
@griz and how often than not do such things end in death, when unprepared? If you encounter the world’s deadliest snake, no amount of preparation will save you. If it can bite you, you have literally 3 steps to live – that’s how fast its venom works. If you don’t know an area and aren’t careful enough you can go onto thin ice or into water unaware and if you can’t get out of your clothes and equipment because they are dragging you down into their airless depths, you have about 3 minutes to live. When you don’t know how to get out of the elements, if the weather is severe, and no on is looking for you and you get in trouble, you have 3 hours to live. Maybe more if you can’t rig a shelter bit CAN figure out how to get/ keep a going. But huddling over a fire in certain temperatures do basically no good. If you can’t get potable water, you have 3 days to live. If you drink bad water you may only have less than that depending on what it’s contaminated by. Even fancy filters won’t filter out radiation. And there are some contaminants that laugh at even reverse osmosis. Eating the wrong thing without bathroom facilities can put you in a world of hurt or cause your death because they’re poisonous, venomous, or both. So let’s say you get kidnapped and dumped into an area you didn’t study the plant an animal life for with only the clothes on your back and your wits (no cell phone to look up “is this safe to eat”) – most people would simply die than risk exposing themselves to something!
@Jear77
Fear of death is a poor reason to live life as a slave to fear.
And back this up with the delusion that one is totally safe from death in their apartment in the city?? This perhaps falls into the same category of “luxury we’ve become accustomed to”.
Again, fear is a . . . fearsome master.
@griz i understand in the right (rare) circumstances the city can be (and is) a deathtrap! Those circumstances one can often avoid by looking for the writing on the wall. I know we modern folks are sciencetific and all, but not many people would be able to ignore a disembodied hand writing
@Jear77
The same can be done in nature and with far fewer variables. Because nature follows her laws to the letter.
People do not.
It’s kind of cute that you think modern people are “scientific and all”, in a naive sort of way. The truth is we are far more animalistically driven been scientifically driven. And the often unstable mix of ego superego and id can spin off into some truly malicious exercises that are rarely if ever seen in natural settings.
’cause they don’t care about the how/why enough?