Timothy 6:10
King James Bible from 1611
“For the love of money is the root of all evil…”
The Darby Translated Bible from 1890
“For the love of money is [the] root of every evil…”
The NET Bible (the online New English Translation) from 2005
“For the love of money is the root of all evils…”
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American Standard Version from 1900(Big w/JehovahWitness’s until they wrote their own)
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil…”
New International Version from 1973(The official Bible of Zondervan(ChristianityRetailStores) & a subsidiary of News Corp(FoxNews)
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil…”
English Standard Version from 2001(made by the publisher Crossway Bibles who charges up to $399 for their Bibles, but you can get a $1.99 deal if you buy a case of 100)
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils…”
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86 responses to “If the Bible is Inerrant, Why Do “Christians” Keep Changing It?”
(Shit I can’t edit my crud?)
Just please notice how the love of money changes from being thee root of all evil to just merely one root. Also in modern vernacular “all kinds of” suggests ‘many’ but not totally all.
Which verse says, “The Bible is inerrent” (in so many words)?
That said, it does perfectly lay out God’s salvation plan that is the only way by which temporary and imperfect humans can be in fellowship with absolute eternal petfection.
And it is said Christ is the only way, because no other Messiah (bridge) provides the same substitutionary process.
None. (It’s been close to 25 years I’ve had the challenge on the internet to point to one. Nobody has succeeded.)
But as for your many translations of the same verse?
Do you truly have any questions as to the Truth it transmits?
I’ll sum it up in small words if you are confused.
@griz
Evangelicals say the Bible is inerrant.
I never said there’s a verse in there that does, so why do you ask me that?
How about you back up the claim, “That said, it does perfectly lay out God’s salvation plan that is the only way by which temporary and imperfect humans can be in fellowship with absolute eternal petfection.” (I thoroughly am tickled that you misspelled ‘perfection’.)
I bet you can’t.
@luftballooneyegouge
I’m pointing out that anyone who professes something about God that is not in scripture had better have good reasoning or evidence to try to tack it on.
I’m sorry my dictation software let you down! Vocal editing, with the phone attached to the dash, is a challenging thing.
The Bible does assert that everything that is needed for the task has been provided: that “It [the revelation] is finished”.
Completed.
Nothing further to add or take away, and warnings against trying.
Another part of the evidence is clinical; given the sheer number of people from across the ages who have followed the “Divine prescription” and found what has been promised. (There has been far more promised, than just an afterlife.)
I am one of them: one of “the great cloud of witnesses” the Bible speaks of.
Even in finite human jurisprudence, a great cloud of witnesses is considered compelling evidence.
@griz
Once again, how does the Bible perfectly lay out God’s plan for salvation?
@luftballooneyegouge
1. Acknowledge your need.
2. Acknowledge your insufficiency to meet this need by any human act or agency.
3. Recognize God’s provision and His associated cost on your behalf.
4. Accept it, and rejoice in His joy and peace.
5. Don’t try to add on to or take away from any aspect of this.
Repeat anytime you feel you have lost your joy and peace and first love in Christ.
That’s it. All other things will be “added unto you” as per Matt 6:33 in a spiritual growth process not unlike that of a physical child’s growth progress.
@griz
Sounds like a Trump Loyalty Pledge.
I wonder what I need?
If I already have everything I need perhaps I’m on the correct path, & those afflicted with pinkeye, having trouble getting earthly medicine are on the wrong path?
@luftballooneyegouge
Many Pretenders have tried to usurp it: from little baby liars to the Father of Lies!
(Which in itself says something. There’s no sense in forging worthless items!)
I find that perception of my true needs is considerably refined with age. What “made me happy” in my youth often had more to do with short-term feelings than with anything of lasting value.
Fortunately my path lead back across an international border into the land of reasonable Healthcare, and I triumphed!
Let me know if you ever wake up pink and pussy and crave some of our Canadian off-the-shelf antibacterial polysporin. $6 CND probably beats whatever health plan you have!
@griz
I’ll stick to washing my hands.
You awoke finding yourself transformed into a pink pussy?!?!?!?
Gregor Samsa is jealous.
@luftballooneyegouge
LOL!
That could require copious quantities of antibacterial polysporin drops!
@griz RE: your idea of salvation
1. Acknowledge your need.
Need to me is something you will die without: food, shelter in extreme weather, clothing, water, air. As we all die anyways, irrespective of the fact of whether this need is fulfilled or not, of what use is it? And oftentimes the people who have it die as horribly as those who do not… AND sometimes even WORSE.
2. Acknowledge your insufficiency to meet this need by any human act or agency.
Even if the bible is true, because god set up the situation to begin with, it’s definitely not US (we humans) that are in need of this being met. It was god who set it up, therefore, it should be his to take care of without us humans doing anything INCLUDING accepting his son OR obeying him.
3. Recognize God’s provision and His associated cost on your behalf.
The problem with this point is that it’s illogical for god to have set up mortality and then demand WE do something about it.
4. Accept it, and rejoice in His joy and peace.
With the problems he’s caused BY his causing us mortality? No. This is the way things are… not the way things needed to be.
5. Don’t try to add on to or take away from any aspect of this.
Once again NO.
@Jear77
Let’s see if I understand your salvation.
Apologies for length.
– blame everything on the parents.
– they could have done things differently but they didn’t. So I will make myself miserable over this.
I hope you find what you crave.
@griz
not so. There is ZERO need for salvation. Any such need is artificial and false, and harmful to all.
@Jear77
Our current efforts to save ourselves from ourselves, seems to be trending the wrong way. (See Recorded Human History)
It is perhaps more harmful to maintain that we don’t need any help.
@griz the people who died in the recent storm needed salvation aplenty… but where was it for rhe deceased victims? The Holocaust had MILLIONS of people needing salvation… and none came about — which could have been prevented by the death of one man (or the point of him never being born to begin with)
So no.
@Jear77
This is a natural reaction when one’s god is death and nothing exists Beyond.
Also, if some of them were reconciled with Life then as you said to me, they have realized gain. And what then of those who would try to use them in some personal war against Life?
@griz Make up your mind. Is life in this iteration or the next? you can’t have it both ways without hypocrisy, which you seem to have a problem with.
@Jear77
What part of “eternal”, baffles?
Continuation is an interesting meme.
At the very least it beats the hell out of impending oblivion. Which I would assert inevitably “taints” everything one might put their hand to.
@griz but in order to continue THIS iteration must cease totally. Choose one or the other. The choice is between this life or the next. Not both. It’s hypocritical.
@Jear77
I think I have a different perspective, a different “grip” on Life. “Continuation” really sums up where I “live”.
It’s perhaps only hypocritical, through death’s goggles?
But then, I’ve seen him defeated several times now.
So I don’t put a lot of stock in what he tries to convince me of.
You REALLY don’t need to march to the beat of his drum; unless you REALLY want to.
@griz So, in order to convince others, figure out how to invent something to show that the continuations exist… But even if you could… the only thing you’d likely find is Sheol, which would do you no good… as all those people would be “asleep” as the bible says… You’d need to come up with something that stretches to beyond judgement day to show the reality – a time machine that shows the dual future in heaven/ hell
@Jear77
As I’ve repeated many times now, “participation” is the only place said “proof” exists.
And those who decide not to participate, will forever find “proof lacking”. BUT ENTIRELY BY THEIR CHOICE! (This is “free will”. You don’t have to see what you don’t want to . . . but this doesn’t keep it (and it’s consequences?) from existing nonetheless.)
The only thing that exists is Sheol, is “refuse”.
The “refuse”, refuse to participate. So they are only good for the smoldering trash-heap.
The “time machine” . . . is “the present”.
For those who “don’t refuse”.
(ie, I have more “proof” than I know what to do with . . . because I don’t “refuse”. I choose to participate.)
I’m not waiting for “pie-in-the-sky”.
I already exist in Eternity . . . as I’m currently able to fathom; and perhaps even a wee bit more! (This is “growth potential”).
@griz Maybe I’m of the new ideology… but in eternity making it though life ought to give the participation award that is heaven. And as I said before it’s not something I particularly have time to do. I’ll just live my life, struggling to get by, as it’s the only thing I can do.
@Jear77
At the end of the day, what we have is someone bearing witness to what they didn’t find, and someone bearing witness to what they did find.
The former says it’s not an investment worth their time, and talks about how bad the gum is they never tasted; the latter says it’s more than paid for itself even if nothing else come of it tomorrow — which they know it will!
@griz but the effort was made. And because of the picky nature of the one who is doing the offering was never realized… it’s like being given a choice between freedom and a gunshot to the head over and over for all eternity when the person in question being given the choice sees neither the shackles nor the gun by which they are to be shot with. Why should the person in that situation seek to enjoy the freedom they don’t know they lacked it or fear the gun they’re to be shot with if they see it not?
@Jear77
Even totally divorced from the spiritual, physical life is “picky” about what survives and what doesn’t. I think that in the West particularly, we are very tainted by the fantasy that “life is our right” . . . rather than seeing it as an awesome gift.
And our choice is to either moan about how “unfair” this is (without currently being able to know all the factors in play, much like a child in an adult world) . . . or to see “what is”, accept there are reasons we cannot yet see, and embrace what is before us with gusto.
It’s like the difference between players and spectators; doers and critics.
And remember that the critic only has time to criticize, because they are not out on the field “doing” the stuff the critics criticize!
You’ve said you are lacking in time. Consider just how MUCH time and effort it takes to be a critic!
@griz i have been trying to do aplenty. Has anything come of it? No. There are plenty of forces at work beyond my control. And even the things I *am* able to control don’t often work out because I am one person doing it, and I can’t do it alone.
@Jear77
Like many, you’ve tried religion. And “what came of it” is what always tends to “come of it”: disillusionment that something of human origin and “in the hand-of-the-applier” . . . cannot exceed these boundaries.
There is wisdom in an admission that one cannot do it alone, within the bounds of their own person-hood. Outside intervention is needed to make life all that it can possibly be.
Otherwise we just flounder and fluke.
@griz just because I can’t do it alone does not mean that there is a god. That would be one hell of a jump logically. It simply means I am disabled and in need of governmental assistance to make a living. Nothing more, nothing less.
@Jear77
Religion not being able to “do it” simply means it is not a suitable God and savior.
Just like us and our understanding not being able to “do it” means we are not a suitable God and savior.
@griz disability benefits can ensure i never have to work another day in my life, so i don’t have to worry about making those type of mistakes. Simple. And that means I don’t have to change anything.
@Jear77
Stagnation as savior?
@griz “saviors” are for those who recognize the need for such. I not only do not, but I defy you (or anyone else) to prove it’s necessary by (let’s say it together) SCIENCE!!!
@Jear77
Our need for something to “save us” is very effectively concealed by ego.
At least from us!
For a challenge (not really!) Name 3 things that existed even before science proved they did/could.
A savior of science has feet of clay.
@griz as does the one who created the universe – at least as proposed by the bible, which i’ve effectively uncovered, but you refuse to see them.
@Jear77
I’ve found the Bible is just the starting point in fellowship with God’s Spirit.
Consider that with most church-religions, it is the final ending point. Much of the folly reactionary atheism tries to heap on God, belongs on religion. The be-all-and-end-all of God . . . is traded for the be-all-and-end-all of a book.
@griz yet interestingly enough you said at another point not to add to the message nor subtract from it. Isn’t even the very knowledge of any other ideas potentially adding to or talking away from the concept of who and what god is?
@Jear77
What is “the message” we are not to add or subtract from?
Answer, the Salvation of Christ. The “starting point” I previously mentioned. The problem with the religion you “gave yourself to” is that it seems to advocate stagnation while standing on a volume of books elevated to godhood. Do you remember in the past when I’ve yoked that too many churches have “divorced” the Spirit from the Trinity and made it “Father, Son, and Holy Bible”?
The fellowship IS to progress. It is in this that we will “Do these things and more” . . . and the ‘many things happened that were not recorded here, because there’s not enough paper in the world!’ (latter is paraphrased, but iirc near the close of one of the written Gospels).
“Knowing” God’s Spirit (fellowship, made possible by Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice so the “”Holy”” Spirit can dwell in earthly vessels, so-called “jars of clay”) is a powerful thing.
In “knowing” a person, one can recognize not just them but their work, wherever it might be encountered. If one hears a stranger talking about that person you “know”, even if they have a totally different experience with them you will recognize “the spirit” of the person and say, “Yes, I know who you’re talking about”.
No dead volume of words on paper can give you that. The church that told you/implied this . . . lied.
Work through your anger, even as I had to.
I’ll still be here if you want to take the next step. (Back to that devilin’ “choice” again, eh?!)
@griz just as a heads up, the science thing in all caps… is based on a YouTube personality that examines the science (physics) of video games based off such things as pixels, force, weight, speed, etc. It’s quite entertaining.
@Jear77
The way I have to interact with the group and the internet, means I’m not sure what you’re referring to here.
I think (hope!) you know I am not “an enemy of science”. I’m rather a fan of our quest to understand the physical world around us.
I’m just not a fan of trying to employ it as an “almighty”.
@Jear77
The road you might be goin’ down might be to give you the perspective with what you’re going through now, so when you find yourself better off from perseverance you can help people that’ll be in the boat you’re currently in?
…maybe you’ll be eaten by something escaping the zoo?
I think if God is Love, if you don’t give up on Love, you won’t be penalized and thrown into the furnace. But if you give up on that, it’s at least gonna make you miserable no matter what happens.
@luftballooneyegouge I don’t know if I am going to be able to see how the god that set up things this way as anything except a criminally minded asshole. How can he set the dominoes up and NOT expect someone to knock over the first one? It’s impossible. Asking US to do the impossible became the final nail in the coffin of my faith. And knowing how everything would turn out didn’t cause him to set up things differently? Why should we serve such a master? It’s not love, it’s nothing but control and any love is simply Stockholm syndrome. Love is never about obedience, control. I don’t think we should be required to serve such a thing. While Technically we had a choice… But without full knowledge it’s really not a fair, equitable, or honest one. To me a rigged choice is not one at all.
I’m sorry, i see no way out of this conundrum, as much as I would love to, irrespective of the misery it causes me.
@luftballooneyegouge
The only caution there is that our definition of Love is impure: notorious for containing elements of spoiling, enabling, and subjective insight if not downright self-service.
It is safe to presume that God’s kingdom would operate first and foremost, according to his precepts and definitions.
It is in this that we need help understanding. To rely just on our notions and precepts is a recipe for failure.
@griz
I rely on what I’m shown directly by experience & my past experiences. 2nd hand data is for comparison with those experiences. I believe: God isn’t a pass or fail thing, & God doesn’t have expiration dates on his forgiveness.
Pedantry is cowardice.
@luftballooneyegouge
I do see something akin to an expiry date in Christ’s teachings.
I also see assertion of a trespass that “cannot be forgiven” — indicating there are at least some terms and conditions.
But these may not be what our current feeling experience and data suggest.
Present experience and observation seem to say there is no commitment (Covenant) without at least some conditions and limitations.
@griz
Even in the books the Covenants change. Consider, perhaps you get to pick your covenant with God & to follow those old books written at times when slavery was only frowned upon by the slaves, is to choose a Covenant based on slavery. I wouldn’t be a good slave to a human so to offer myself to God as a slave would be to offer him less than the best. My friendship is the best I can do, & that’s MY Covenant with It. It seems to accept the proposal.
Those books were also written during times of War & it seems following them at least enables continual war. When any historical record of ancients are used for rule books & instruction manuals, one will be bound to repeat their past triumphs and follies, and leave some interesting ruins.
Why talk to someone through a book? If you believe they’re there, just talk to them.
@luftballooneyegouge
The old Covenant was to a specific people who are not us, in a specific time that is not now, for a purpose that has now been fulfilled in Christ.
The Covenant didn’t change; it’s been fulfilled. And its purpose? That’s laid out in Hebrews: essentially to show a very stubborn and stiff-necked people, that religious Works didn’t set them free from sin or it’s effects. The New Covenant is in Christ’s Spirit. The old is not negated; simply concluded.
The New Covenant is far more than just a friendship. It’s a fellowship: with the two becoming One over time. The analogy to Godly marriage (two considerable “unalikes” coming together in fellowship as one) is a good one; and that’s why there is such resistance to altering it.
And in the Bible we are told that the ultimate conclusion is to become one with God in Spirit.
That doesn’t happen through a book as religion teaches. Only in the Spirit.
@griz
@luftballooneyegouge
OK. I’ve just got to a place with stable wifi so I can stream this.
And . . . ?
@griz
I’m not sure what the hell I did there? It was something about being God’s pets, but the set-up is missing. I think I originally had this under text, but it wouldn’t post, so I put it by itself.
I should be flagged for the distribution of a music vid w/ overly repetitious lyrics.
@griz
Who was your ISP nearly 25 years ago?
@luftballooneyegouge
COIS.
They no longer exist.
Yours?
I’m glad you are interested in the minutiae; but hope you don’t overlook the primary theme of what is offered.
In this case, the fact that in over two decades no one has been able to offer a valid Christ-equivalent from any other belief system existing or extinct.
@griz
I was on CompuServe.
Until Jesus saves the world and rules it, he’s not a messiah. He’s just oily.
@luftballooneyegouge
“The salvation” starts as spiritual and personal.
This then spreads to personal and physical. And only then starts to spread wider to culture and race. But many fear processes can hinder it.
Things that are stuck often need some oil!
@griz
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I think the answer lies in interpretations. The Gospel would have be originally expressed in Aramaic, then translated to Greek for broader distribution and from that into English for us.
The best way to study scripture is to read several translations and hopefully by combining them you get a clearer understanding of what the txt is trying to express. The other thing you need to get a grasp of is context. It’s a complicated task to bring it all together but I think worth the extra effort.
And then of course you have the dickheads who can make up and preach with 100 million dollar takeaways,meven when Jesus clearly said it would be easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it would be for a rich man to enter Heaven. And The gospel according to PT Barnum needs no depth of understanding: a sucker is born every minute…or every second to my interpretation.
@spitfire3dc the problem about trying to have time to invest in such a thing is that it’s not something that you can do casually. This is an all or nothing proposition… and the results (i.e. heaven) are not only not guaranteed, they’re meaningless in this life,
@Jear77
I totally agree. Seeking Christ Spirit has to be much much more than just a hobby or casual dalliance. One has to crave it “more than riches”.
More than this soon-to-end life.
Then, for shits and giggles, look up Matt 6:33. (If you don’t already know it by heart. I’ve referred you to a magnitude of times!)
It speaks very clearly of what will be added to us here in this life.
@griz
Matthew 6:25-6:34
The Slacker’s Favorite
@luftballooneyegouge
How do you figure?
@griz
It says to not plan ahead and if you don’t plan ahead you certainly won’t be working towards future goals.
@luftballooneyegouge
Have you noticed that this is just an excerpt from a longer discourse?
Full context is not just a part of what he said on one occasion. It’s not just all of what he said on one occasion. It is everything that he said on All Occasions; including the context of times and culture, who he was saying it to, and for what specific purpose.
But book-worshipers and recipe-readers tend not to like this because it takes work and is not cut and dried enough to form a legalistic base upon.
@griz
I said the verse was the Slacker’s favorite. I didn’t say it made God a slacker. As for, “Have you noticed that this is just an excerpt from a longer discourse?”
that’s just an arrogant insulting assumption that can only come from a replacing my statement, “Matthew 6:25-6:34 The Slacker’s Favorite”, with something from inside your HEAD.
@luftballooneyegouge
You didn’t really specify the slackers you were referencing!
@griz Keep in mind there’s no proof of this. The works of the divine can’t be detected with anything except the mind (you would say the spirit but there’s no proof of that either)… and the mind has no ability to detect something it’s not convinced of otherwise.
@Jear77
Actually can science “prove the mind” yet? The brain yes, because it is physical. The mind is less corporeal; more ephemeral. There are still a lot of unknowns regarding it that science can’t put a handle on.
So is that proof you are mindless? If science can’t categorically prove it?
And it would seem absolutely axiomatic that the mind patently cannot see that which it has convinced itself cannot be seen. Because to see it would mean that one is wrong. Mind is very much imprisoned by ego. And this is an effrontery ego cannot tolerate. So mind bends perceived reality so ego can remain Almighty.
This is why we sometimes have to change our mind to see something that has been in front of us all along.
Have you never changed your mind and suddenly seen something as clear as day, that has been there all along?
@griz I use the commonplace word “mind” because it’s awkward talking about the intricate dance that is the id, ego, and superego, the subconscious, the conscious and other such topics.briefly The word “mind” is a shortcut way of discussing all of these things… otherwise a 3 line response would need to turn into several volumes in an encyclopedia, the information in the answer would be talking about the neural connections within the brain. things like hypnosis, experiments on the subconscious and the like. The idea is to keep it simple, yes? Or would you rather read through an encyclopedia EVERY time someone wanted to discuss a topic?
@Jear77
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Particularly when science is elevated to savior, proper usage of terms should be a concession. Lazy definitions may be fine if science is just a tool for better understanding of things physical. But if nothing can exist save it be scientifically proven and defined, absolute accuracy of definition is essential.
(So I can use those Freudian terms that you cannot
I understand and appreciate those Freudian terms. All I would point out is that “Id” cannot be scientifically proven by the same standards you put forth as requirement for other things to be “actual”.
This sliding scale of give and take is more of feelings and religion than of true science. The point being, that “scientifically proven”, while a valuable assessment, is not a suitable Almighty.
Keep it simple, yes. But one cannot apply a strict standard on one hand, then relax it on the other and proclaim a position of no emotional bias.
Scientific process also needs to recognize when concepts might be more complex than current science can get a handle on.
A classic case in point is that the Earth was round even before science proved it was .
You see, science in its proper place is a valuable tool. When we try to make it something that it is not, it becomes a burdensome God.
So can we agree that there are things current science cannot get a handle on . . . That are “actual”?
Science is first of all, open-minded.
@griz what have I said about my own standards? I am the ultimate at hypocrisy and double standards. BUT… if it’s that important to you (and only you, not me)… AND you’re wanting to be so precise in your terminology, then you should quit your job, go back to school to get a doctorate degree to find a way to put your ideas to the test where it can be examined by others who can critique them. If not… you’re just as hypocritical as I, but unwilling to admit it.
@griz here’s what I crave infinitely more than riches. Take away my mom’s diabetes. Heal her arthritis. Make the bone in her hand that she broke as if it never was broken. Heal her vision so she doesn’t need glasses. Make her as she was energy wise 30 years ago.
Heal my father from his old army injuries – the broken femurs (in both legs), his shattered ankle, his eye where battery acid spilled in it. Give him back the vigor of his youth.
Heal my brother from his alcoholism – rhe root cause is because he wants to forget. Erase his criminal record.
START with these things… or there is no sale.
@Jear77
At least they still live . . . for a time.
I cannot count the number of times I prayed a child’s prayer for my mom to be healed, to not be taken from me. I cannot count the promises and bargains I made with God. She still lived with the devastatingly painful effects of Lupus and died, for my liking, far too soon.
Yet I found peace, joy, acceptance, growth . . . and God . . . on this path. (Or more accurately, He found me because I stopped trying to out-compete Him with my dying ego).
No NOT ONE THING that you have mentioned would seem valid excuse or reason for you to keep hitting the “No Sale” button repeatedly with your funny squeeky hammer!
The only “reason” . . . is because it pleases you. So you would benefit from asking why it pleases you. And leave the excuses in the closet!
Erase your brother’s criminal record??? The ONLY person who had choice in it not existing in the first place . . . chose unwisely. Many people face dire situation, without resorting to crime — or at least persisting in it long enough to get caught before self-correcting.
I think this goes back to your unusual definition of “freedom” that you absolutely floored me with several months back . . . as irresponsibility in action and freedom from consequence.
@griz Death in one sense is release, but only for those caught in its embrace at that moment. But I have seen far too well how it shatters the lives of who it leaves behind and the destruction it leaves as it approaches to those doomed to die…
But interestingly enough, according to christian theology it could only be the beginning of eternal torment a million times worse than the disease that killed the person. Why would anyone want to serve such a sick being? Never for me.
@Jear77 not enough time. Humanities ultimate excuse.
Plan time and productivity happens. That simple.
It is meaningless to enjoy the fruits of consideration now, just because there is no prize at the end? The value, at least to me, is setting my sights on being better than average.
Scripture is pretty fundamental and if we made the effort to just try and go to a better nature it can happen without a book. However, the book allows us to focus on specifics and when used correctly allows human dialogue right now, to massage out a message that can influence.
@spitfire3dc you know full well it’s not AT the end. That is complete and utter nonsense. Judgement, if it exists, could come a EONS after my death. And even THEN such a thing wouldn’t be worth it, because I’d be dead and NOT in this iteration.
@spitfire3dc
Also worth noting is while many new translations are undertaken with the noble and pure intent of glorifying God . . . Others have been manufactured to service greed, agenda, and other base intent. ( there’s money to be made in knock-offs!)
The so-called “Direct Translations” tend towards honoring every single word in the original language. This can make for a sometimes clunky read. But they are good for study and “spiritual exercise” because you have to do some work in understanding the social and temporal contexts of foreign languages and cultures. For example, try translating a beautiful ancient French poem into English word for word. A lot will be lost in the translation; and an avid reader wanting to comprehend it may find themselves having to become a bit of an expert in the French language and ancient French culture.
A lot of work, but a fuller understanding.
Personally I would recommend the NASB version.
The so-called “Dynamic translations” seek to honor the spirit of what has been written rather than the individual words. They try to do part of the work for you, and can result in an easier to understand, more flowing read. But you are relying on the Integrity of their work, and they can be less reliable translations.
I would personally recommend the NIV and “The Message” (written specifically for the author’s children). But check any foundational principles that you are going to base your life upon, against a direct translation.
And I would definitely not recommend any translation with an obvious agenda: things like the Surfers Bible, the NWT, or regrettably the Woman’s Bible. They tend to overemphasize points that service their agenda, over otherwise important points that don’t. It’s like a “congenital bias” that makes getting to the Truth harder.
(Exerpt from the Surfers Bible when Jesus met the first disciples fishing in the Sea of Galilee.
“And Jesus said, ‘Yo, Dudes! Come hang with me and I’ll lay on a funky rap!'”)
@griz
Walking on water was Jesus Hangin’ 10.
@luftballooneyegouge
LOL!
Maybe over the front of his sandals!
(Allegedly he wasn’t “”board””!)
@spitfire3dc
Context is the hardest part being separated by centuries.
@luftballooneyegouge the centuries do make it harder but not impossible. We do need to reorient the time gap by trying to consider the time and the time in one context requires that we consider the patriarchal cultural influence. When you understand the importance of a brother’s responsibilility in taking in his brothers widow, you can get the multiple wives inference a little differently than thinking he just had multiple partners strictly for sex options.
It’s just about trying to look at scripture beyond strictly face value. TRYING to figure out the fundamental meanings versus just looking at, in the example referenced
the “love” of “money” is the “root” of all “evil”.
You can drill into chapter and verse and spend a LOT of time grasping meaning word by word by word.
My trigger point was in taking the word meek out of my temporal understanding of the meaning of the word and going back to the time context in which the word was used to communicate. Something meek in those centuries past meant strong but manageable, whereas the word, in my time meant wimpy. Blessed are the meek made no sense to me, in my time, but when spoken during the time the beatitudes were offered…whole different meaning.
you say the word fuck in the 60’s…the 1960’s that is and all hell breaks loose. say the word fuck 57 years later and it just doesn’t have the same impact. Kinda the same with the word meek…only different.
@spitfire3dc
said, “Something meek in those centuries past meant strong but manageable…”.
Where’d you find this? I wanna see. I WANNA SEE!
The thing about the Abrahamic faiths that I always keep in mind is alot of it is relating things occurring during war and/or occupation, or leading up to one.
@luftballooneyegouge
Here is one place http://www.dictionary.com/browse/meek?s=t
You’ll see the obsolete meaning to be gentle, kind. Apply the adjective to the word camel as in meek camel. A camel can be pretty strong and a meek camel has been domesticated for use as a means of conveyance. Strong, but manageable.
Abrahamic faith. Interesting couplet. Never heard that before. I’ve heard the term Abrahamic Law, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing.
Your point about war illustrates that times don’t change. Keep the sheep in a state of fear of consequences, real or not, and they will follow what they perceive to be their savior, real or not.
Just a point of reference if you don’t know this about me. I see religion as bull shit and is not about the worship of God. It is a form whereby men control others to do what they want them to do. We can respect the existence about the concept of God and allow it to shape our behaviour, but not through lip service or fear.
The Bible, is an interesting canonization that gathered texts used to manage others for the purpose of managing more. Although the original objective may have been about further management (see Council of Nicea) it can be used as a tool that generates further dialogue when it is positively interpreted through the fundamental tenet of the New Testament (Do unto others…). The inclusion of Abrahamic and Mosaic Law could have been to include a significant geography under Roman rule. Unfortunately, the distinct society decided to remain distinct, for better or for worse.
@spitfire3dc
Me too…
I see Religion as thee original politics & thee original argument that everybody should enrich a few at the cost of themselves.
With that said, most food pantries & homeless shelters in theeee USA are run by churches.
The Universal Life Church which famously ordains anyone as a minister actually has a very cool philosophy, even though they’re mostly famous for celebs who mailed in to be ordained, and the ability for anyone to get ordained themselves.
“The Universal Life Church represents religious freedom in all its forms. At the ULC Ministries there is no hierarchy, all faiths are considered equal, and no deity is held above another. We welcome all who seek to start a ministry to get ordained and become a minister online. We do not have tests of loyalty, religious rings to kiss, nor do we require payment. We are a non-denominational community and offer a full spectrum of support services. The Universal Life Church wholly believes in its mantra – “We are all children of the same universe.”-from their website on the world wide web
If the bible isn’t inerrant –
then what?
I think of it as a story from long ago, reinterpreted again and again. It reminds me of the game where you say something and it goes from person to person, and at the end it’s not close to what it was at the start.
@Fletch
Actually an interesting “control” on this, are the Dead Sea Scrolls of the Essenes.
Hidden away from the translational hand of man for thousands of years, they find almost . . . Supernatural . . . agreement with many modern translations.
Yeah,… almost, except where they differ.
Deuteronomy 8:6 in the modern Bible: Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to FEAR him.
Deuteronomy 8:6 from the Dead Sea Scrolls: Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to LOVE him.
The whole notion that God is to be feared, that love is to be feared, is just WRONG.
@luftballooneyegouge
I agree; and take note that what is often translated as fear in the Old Testament, is better refined as love in the New Testament.
And I consider how to a child, parental love manifest as correction can seem a fearful thing. (In both commission and comprehension).
Especially in ages where physical chastisement was not illegal.
(Here’s to hoping a few thousand years of growth have benefited us some understanding!)