@Jear77 Mainly because you might be lying to yourself and worse yet, believing yourself.
I’d be interested in whether in fact all standards have been taken into consideration, or if the due diligence in understanding that point, just gets in the way of a personal objective.
@griz the video is about a post World War 5 horror game in which humanity separated their bodies and souls… where a horrific wasteland for the fleshy bits is one ending, suicide due to realizing how you were created is another, and ignorance, and letting the place blow up around you is the 3rd.
@Jear77
Our prefrontal cortex can come up with some amazing fantasies. We actually seem to be the only animal that can separate our consciousness from our body, running simulations without our bodies acting them out.
But these are colored by the “meanings” that we hold dear, which then program the reality that we are “allowed” to see and move in. Our primitive mind is simply trying to do a good job of giving us that which we wish for with enough meaning. (Coming back to the question of why we would attach enough meaning to being an addict or remaining homeless, or abandoning hope, or fleeing into an ideology, or remaining as a child without responsibilities)
I used to enjoy other people’s simulations in the form of video games. Until I realized I was being shanghaied into their meanings, their perceptions, and their reality. And too often they had a serious deficiency of anything positive.
I can come up with far better; plus I don’t need to be a function of another person’s baggage in limitations.
And that means that instead of practicing living in the fantasies of another, I can live in a shared common reality with all of those who haven’t zombified themselves into little pocket realities: most of which are not helping the real reality in any measurable way.
A flight into ignorance is a fool’s hiding place, and perhaps even their private hell. To remain in ignorance once we see it and see that there is wisdom and knowledge to rectify it, is for the timid and frightened.
I understand that this may threaten to burn up a “map of meaning” that’s some sub personality within us has come to rely upon.
But we are better off in the long run with maps of more significant and lasting meaning.
@griz i rarely play video games. I don’t have the time, the money, the patience , nor the hand-eye coordination to do so… having said that, i *do* watch game theory and watch walkthroughs… which I will fast forward to the good parts.
@Jear77
What I shared came from one of Peterson’s ideas he calls maps of meaning.
We select the meaning we want to be paramount, in a given situation for a given time or for our life. And then the primitive parts of our brain set about making a map to get us from here to there.
And any time the map and reality don’t match, there’s a foundation panic reaction: all the way from mild (frustration, stress) to moderate (anger, avoidance) to “Holy shit! My map has been totally destroyed and here I am naked alone in the dark in the middle of a jungle!”
In this model, a meaning and resulting map of ignorance, is not a stable structure. One is always running away from anything and everything that might threaten that ignorance with enlightenment.
Absolutely. Sometimes, there is a “curiosity killed the cat” situation. Sometimes, there are situations where knowledge does harm and little to no good. Sometimes, pain from certain knowledge just isn’t worth it. It isn’t to say that the information isn’t important, but there are times where some knowledge is a negative to some people while it being highly valuable to others. Ignorance can totally be bliss. Like sometimes I wish I could be selfishly ignorant to the amount of pain that is going on throughout the world, but I just can’t. I would probably be a happier person if I could, but we are all stuck with this pessimistic and downer version of me, lol.
Those gamers get too revved up on stimulants and have an intense enthusiasm that makes me want to light a muppet on fire, so I skipped the vid.
I was thinking the subject might be about the ability to ignore things as being something to do with will-power & focus??!?!?
As an option it seems to me to be proven as a verrrry popular and pleasing pastime to the point where almost nobody can focus, but I don’t have the will-power to press these letter-buttons anymore.
13 responses to “Is ignorance ever an option?”
Its always an option. Maybe not a good option, but no matter what, you always going to be exposed to this as a response or a defense.
@spitfire3dc if the other options are objectively worse by all standards… why not be purposely ignorant?
@Jear77 Mainly because you might be lying to yourself and worse yet, believing yourself.
I’d be interested in whether in fact all standards have been taken into consideration, or if the due diligence in understanding that point, just gets in the way of a personal objective.
I suppose everything is an option. Including going bonkers and killing everyone.
But there’s a difference between an option and a good option.
Post-modernism does this. It girds itself in the protective delusion that there are infinite ways to interpret everything.
But there are remarkably few viable ways to interpret something; and even fewer good ways to interpret something.
And perhaps fewer still when it comes to beneficial and conscientious ways.
Ignorance may just be the protection of the unintelligent when there truly is wisdom and knowledge available.
@griz the video is about a post World War 5 horror game in which humanity separated their bodies and souls… where a horrific wasteland for the fleshy bits is one ending, suicide due to realizing how you were created is another, and ignorance, and letting the place blow up around you is the 3rd.
@Jear77
Our prefrontal cortex can come up with some amazing fantasies. We actually seem to be the only animal that can separate our consciousness from our body, running simulations without our bodies acting them out.
But these are colored by the “meanings” that we hold dear, which then program the reality that we are “allowed” to see and move in. Our primitive mind is simply trying to do a good job of giving us that which we wish for with enough meaning. (Coming back to the question of why we would attach enough meaning to being an addict or remaining homeless, or abandoning hope, or fleeing into an ideology, or remaining as a child without responsibilities)
I used to enjoy other people’s simulations in the form of video games. Until I realized I was being shanghaied into their meanings, their perceptions, and their reality. And too often they had a serious deficiency of anything positive.
I can come up with far better; plus I don’t need to be a function of another person’s baggage in limitations.
And that means that instead of practicing living in the fantasies of another, I can live in a shared common reality with all of those who haven’t zombified themselves into little pocket realities: most of which are not helping the real reality in any measurable way.
A flight into ignorance is a fool’s hiding place, and perhaps even their private hell. To remain in ignorance once we see it and see that there is wisdom and knowledge to rectify it, is for the timid and frightened.
I understand that this may threaten to burn up a “map of meaning” that’s some sub personality within us has come to rely upon.
But we are better off in the long run with maps of more significant and lasting meaning.
@griz i rarely play video games. I don’t have the time, the money, the patience , nor the hand-eye coordination to do so… having said that, i *do* watch game theory and watch walkthroughs… which I will fast forward to the good parts.
@Jear77
What I shared came from one of Peterson’s ideas he calls maps of meaning.
We select the meaning we want to be paramount, in a given situation for a given time or for our life. And then the primitive parts of our brain set about making a map to get us from here to there.
And any time the map and reality don’t match, there’s a foundation panic reaction: all the way from mild (frustration, stress) to moderate (anger, avoidance) to “Holy shit! My map has been totally destroyed and here I am naked alone in the dark in the middle of a jungle!”
In this model, a meaning and resulting map of ignorance, is not a stable structure. One is always running away from anything and everything that might threaten that ignorance with enlightenment.
Absolutely. Sometimes, there is a “curiosity killed the cat” situation. Sometimes, there are situations where knowledge does harm and little to no good. Sometimes, pain from certain knowledge just isn’t worth it. It isn’t to say that the information isn’t important, but there are times where some knowledge is a negative to some people while it being highly valuable to others. Ignorance can totally be bliss. Like sometimes I wish I could be selfishly ignorant to the amount of pain that is going on throughout the world, but I just can’t. I would probably be a happier person if I could, but we are all stuck with this pessimistic and downer version of me, lol.
A liberal propaganda shit show, truly evil minions of progressivism. Ignorance personified.
There is an ocean of ignorance, but only a summit of knowledge.
@five2one how is a mountain any different from an ocean? There are mountains covered by the sea.
Those gamers get too revved up on stimulants and have an intense enthusiasm that makes me want to light a muppet on fire, so I skipped the vid.
I was thinking the subject might be about the ability to ignore things as being something to do with will-power & focus??!?!?
As an option it seems to me to be proven as a verrrry popular and pleasing pastime to the point where almost nobody can focus, but I don’t have the will-power to press these letter-buttons anymore.