Yes. Men have a world of their own that they have built around them. Because they built it themselves, they are not going to change it. If a woman wants to fit in that world, then they have to “fit” what the man wants to add to his world.
I have met countless women who think they can “change” a man with their love, or with loud bitching. ————- It doesn’t work.
@ladybarbara
Do you think a man will do the best he can to change out of love for a woman?
I know as a man that I will see through and resist attempts a woman makes to “change me with her love” (ie, to try to control me. Men are stubborn that way). But out of love for a woman I might be motivated to try to change myself.
Well, at least when she’s around! And over time, that change could go deeper; especially if she’s onto something and the change turns out beneficial.
@ladybarbara
That took me by surprise. I think most men are of the opinion that they change drastically for their women.
So I considered this:
To train up a boy to be a gentleman requires teaching them how to use their natural gift of compartmentalization. The hormones giving us our thoughts reactions and behaviors are always on. Our hormones don’t cycle like a woman’s. So we learn how to shut them up in a drawer.
And learning this skill effectively, we apply it to all other things in our lives.
I wonder if women underestimate the effort this takes? What we call “change”, women may look at and say, “not really”.
(And then we have to shut this up in a drawer too!)
Now considered that when you try to over fill a drawer, it gets to a point where it just pops. Right now feminism, particularly in our schools, is requiring our boys to shut away more and more of who they are to keep the women happy. There’s also less of a drive to amend themselves into ” gentleman”. The drive is to change them; to feminize them.
And their drawers can only take so much of that shit before popping!
And to their credit a lot of them compartmentalize a lot of stuff away. But then there’s this outcry that more and more of them are “popping”: so we have to accelerate and re-intensify efforts to “change them”. Cue the Snowball Effect.
And when a man or a boy pops, it usually manifest physically. (Whereas a woman pushed too far tends to manifest emotionally or psychologically)
Maybe the male stubbornness, is a reflection of how stubborn we have to be to keep the wilder aspects of our nature pleasing in the sight of society (ie, the women)?
Which for us is an ongoing change requiring constant vigilance. If the gentleman slips, people can get hurt. ( which may be why we like to retreat to the den to watch a bunch of over-muscled men in tight pants tackle each other for possession of a little ball!)
@griz I got the “compartment” theory speech from Immortal Pirate and he compared his theory of compartmentalization to being the Titanic with it’s compartments and women being the sea surrounding. Then I threw in, “Until the sea comes in to flood your compartments and you sink.” Yeah, well then the Man/ship stops being a man ship and becomes a pile of junk overwhelmed by the woman/sea. What woman wants junk that she can totally dominate? I want a strong man that holds up on his own.
I guess I lied above when I said I have never seen a man change for a woman, but the change was not permanent —— so that equals no change.
One of my husbands did not cook and was totally against drinking alcohol. He was 51 and went through a mid-life thing. Our break up was over him having a new woman in his life —- a very demanding woman in his life. She was a young 22. I stood back and resented her ordering him around and having him buy her exotic wines. It was her idea that he sell her everything he owned and be basically “poor” when he divorced me. Her plan included that then marrying her would result in him getting all of his possessions back — via community property. She bought the house, 3 airplanes, a boat, cars, a race car, motorcycles, ski mobiles, the motorhome, and all his tools and equipment for what only amounted to $50.00. She paid only one dollar for each item. He divorced me as a “poor man”, owning nothing. I watched as this woman demanded that he cook her meals and serve her hand and foot. What infuriated me most was that he made her his whole world and revolved around her catering to her every whim. I had to get far away from him so that I did not see this. I was as angry as a woman can be. Watching him change into a moth fluttering around her like a flame was a total insult to me. I celebrated when 6 months later she kicked his ass into the street and she still had all of the possessions she had bought from him. She married another man that was her age and she laughed at my ex-husband for being a schmuck and an old man, too old for her. He was devastated and wanted to come back to me. —- hahahaha, NO! I lost all respect for him when he had given his all for her. In the end, he did not change. He reverted back to the person he was and searched for other 22 year olds to fill his voids, but he died an old man. He never remarried and died alone.
I want a man who knows who he is and what he wants.
The Titanic sunk! I like the analogy of a nice set of tool drawers. Have you seen those ones they park a pickup truck on?!
I wonder if a lot of the changes women want are inherent aspects of the man’s nature? We can control and “amend” them. But they are always there.
Just like there are aspects to women that are always there. To ask them to “change” them unto their never manifesting again would be an unfair request.
As for that ex: one gets hard the other gets soft! And there are women predators that are expert in psychological and emotional control and advantage. They are no more noble than the men who force physical and sexual advantage over women.
I have never seen a tool box a truck can park on top of. I have seen the kind that go across the bed of the truck, next to the cab. But, I have a car that can be picked up by 3 men, and the little motor is in the back. You can sit on the tailgate to work on it.
I think that there has to be perimeters that are not crossed without permission. A woman needs to keep her hands out of a man’s wallet, and NEVER decide to clean up his tool and work bench. If he has a place that is only his, then it is only his. That means she is to keep her hands off of his stash of girly magazines, as well.
I prefer a man who says, “Here is the plan”, or “This is what we are going to do” rather than a man that looks to the woman for a plan. I know that there are a lot of women who like to lead and make all the plans. I don’t. But, if I do want to do something, or go somewhere, I ask him if we can do that. If I have a plan to go, regardless, I ask him if he wants to go. —- “I am going to a pot-luck dinner. Do you want to go?” —- He always has the option to say no, or to lead us on another plan. In the end, he is the Captain of our “ship” and there can only be one Captain.
@ladybarbara
Men tend to be keyed to be the captain
Just as women tend to be keyed to be the nurturer. It’s where they shine . Take that away from her man and what does he have? To be ” the mothered? You see so many men lit around by the nose as if they are the child.
And then we hear studies that women are more stressed than ever before from trying to take on too many roles?!
Sure, the woman CAN be the captain. But if there’s someone there who can do it, who isn’t doing anything else and who benefits greatly from that role, why take it from them just to prove that you can do it (and stress yourself out)?!
Women have nothing to prove: despite what the feminists are telling them.
@griz We have our “rolls” in this household. Then there are times that rolls are blended, or reversed. One night, I had to run to the auto parts store and I dropped the fixing of dinner to go repair my car. When I came home, Immortal Pirate had dinner cooked and ready to serve. Then there was last night that I had been working myself to a frazzle trying to clean up all the pods in the front yard —- dropped by the messy mesquite tree. It was 107 degrees out there!!! I came in the house dehydrated and at my physical end of endurance. Immortal Pirate was watching TV. Before I dropped an atomic bomb on his recliner, he got out there and helped me clean all that mess up. I am sure he did not even know what I had been doing outside. For all he knew, I was vacuuming out my car. We do help each other and we are capable of switching rolls. In our household there is a balance. We both put into it, but he wears the Pirate Captain’s clothing. Life is like dancing. It works out smoother if the man leads.
@ladybarbara
Life is a lot more peaceful and joyous when we are content in the roles that are placed before us: the roles that we tend to naturally excel at.
Both genders are perfectly capable of swapping roles if the need be. With childbirth being the exception. That is 100% guaranteed in the role of women! The guys can never touch or change this; and may even subconsciously be jealous of such a gender mandate dictated “from on high”.
Women have something that is entirely theirs. Whereas men don’t have a single thing that cannot be taken from us buy a determined woman out to prove something!
I find the current gender malcontent . . . quite baffling at times. Particularly when sexist groups get a hold of it.
It’s very nice to see a couple dancing in harmony: and not consumed by the desire to take something from the other that they really don’t need to.
Even if one truly can ” do everything”, it’s nice to let others do what they can. They benefit from it, and you are a lot less haggard for letting them!
The relationship advances AS a relationship: and not just as one control freak and their minion!
@griz I am totally in agreement.
But, men do have a hand in the birth of a child. (Well it was not their hand, but a body part that starts the whole process.) His part was short lived, but very important.
@ladybarbara
Let’s remember that we live in an age where the man can be physically absent at the conception of a child: they can even be dead, provided their “important contribution” was properly frozen! And the child can go on to have a perfectly normal, organic birth process. The father’s role becomes important later on in the child’s life; but in a way that is far less defined than the role of a mother.
And as a believer in God, I don’t think this is by mistake. Even in eras when men were abusing their dominant leadership roles, they had to respect the women for their innate ability to do what a man never could.
And now we are in an era where the women need to learn that just because they can take most things away from the men, they probably shouldn’t.
Not necessarily. Both men and women are equally stubborn, just in different ways. Otherwise why would we have a saying that says “happy wife, happy life?”
@Jear77
That aphorism may be more directed at the men: reminding them that domestic tranquility may be the reward of setting aside their stubbornness from time to time!
in my family Every one is stubborn :D so i dont know if i can say men are more innately stubborn than women. i know some pretty tenacious women, but maybe now im thinking about it i dont know any men who arent stubborn to some extent? im having a hard time committing to a response to this question arent i?!
so, are women more indecisive than men i wonder?!
@BelleMadre
Maybe it’s more like women have a greater tendency to stop and ask for directions or read the instructions than to push ahead saying “I don’t need no stinking instructions/ directions!”
this reminds me of the other week when i was trying to assemble some tall fans. good thing the boy child wasnt home while i was doing it :D cause the first fan definitely didnt go easy. directions are so basic on paper and i am like HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT THESE PARTS ARE CALLED?! but i figured it out and the 2nd fan was simple. i had this voice in the back of my head saying maybe i should ask someone to come over and help but i thought what kind of woman would i be if i ran from a fan hahaha
how do men deal with that frustration? was my behaviour stubborn or determined? is there a difference? would a man have even looked at the measly directions? or just winged it, probably based on some previous knowledge i guess. hmmmmmm :)
@BelleMadre
It’s worse than all that.
It sounds like you would have been running from your biggest fan!
The kid probably could have assembled it and had three parts left over!
A lot of times men deal with the frustration by going to the garage for a bigger hammer!
Think of the difference between saying someone is determined versus they are stubbornly determined. The latter seems like less of a compliment with a growing air of folly to it.
Someone who is determined to not get a ticket from a cop may or may not get the ticket.
But someone who is stubbornly determined will get the ticket and may find themselves on intimate terms with the police cruiser hood or experiencing the joys of tazing!
i am much better at the fine arts of deep breathing and taking a break from the problem than i was years ago. years ago it would have gone back in the box and been kicked hahahaha sure am glad of those fans now!
(biggest fan i saw what you did there lol)
@BelleMadre You are approaching the years where you tackle such projects as a mother and son team. Then, if he takes the lead and figures it out faster than you could have, you stand back and look at what he can do. (He is your masterpiece and you have raised him right). When he has finished the task, you let him know that he has done this well. This is how he will learn to do things.
My “ah ha” moment came when sitting in the passenger seat of my son’s car. He stepped on the break, stopping the car at the last minute on an orange light. Immediately, his arm shot out in front of me (even though I was wearing my seat belt). He was protecting me the way that my arm used to shoot out in front of him to protect him. Now, he was the adult and he was protecting me. We have switched rolls.
yes @ladybarbara ! i joke that he needs to hurry up and be old enough to learn to drive so i dont ever have to hahahah siiiiiiiiiiiiigh
its like that with lego. we build together, mostly cause it is something we can do together, that isnt video gaming. i love building legos with him. we follow the instructions for a while then we just sort of put that side and build our own sweet creations.
the other cute moment… he makes his own breakfast. we eat different types of foods, due to allergies or whatnot… we make our own breakfasts, but together. other day i wandered off for some reason, probably to get a work bag ready, and when i got back he had gotten my breakfast for me too. it was the sweetest thing. ive never been presented breakfast in bed (probably for the better, im not as fun and nice if woken :D) but that morning – that bowl of cereal and glass of juice was the nicest breakfast that ever there was! next up dinner?!
I think stubbornness is an individual and active choice we make based on a set of circumstances, personalities, and our ego. I don’t think that our genders determine it.
Just as women in general, have a proclivity towards certain behaviors and responses.
A gender tendency, does not automatically mean exclusivity!
But not blinding ourselves to these tendencies helps us to better understand ourselves and others.
I think we’re all under a great deal of pressure to “get it right” and we can all be rather stubborn when what we think is “right” is challenged. It’s a human issue more than just a man issue, I think.
I’m a stubborn Taurus and I’ve found that I completely exemplify that trait. The thing that breaks down my stubbornness is love. Love opens me up to the possibility to change. Love makes me listen, when I normally would not. Love makes me think about things I’ve never considered. Love changes my perspective and unhinges me from my stubborn tendencies.
28 responses to “OK. I’m just going to light the fuse on this one and stand back! Do you think men have an innate tendency to be stubborn?”
Yes. Men have a world of their own that they have built around them. Because they built it themselves, they are not going to change it. If a woman wants to fit in that world, then they have to “fit” what the man wants to add to his world.
I have met countless women who think they can “change” a man with their love, or with loud bitching. ————- It doesn’t work.
@ladybarbara
Do you think a man will do the best he can to change out of love for a woman?
I know as a man that I will see through and resist attempts a woman makes to “change me with her love” (ie, to try to control me. Men are stubborn that way). But out of love for a woman I might be motivated to try to change myself.
Well, at least when she’s around! And over time, that change could go deeper; especially if she’s onto something and the change turns out beneficial.
@griz I have never seen a man change all that much for a woman.
@ladybarbara
That took me by surprise. I think most men are of the opinion that they change drastically for their women.
So I considered this:
To train up a boy to be a gentleman requires teaching them how to use their natural gift of compartmentalization. The hormones giving us our thoughts reactions and behaviors are always on. Our hormones don’t cycle like a woman’s. So we learn how to shut them up in a drawer.
And learning this skill effectively, we apply it to all other things in our lives.
I wonder if women underestimate the effort this takes? What we call “change”, women may look at and say, “not really”.
(And then we have to shut this up in a drawer too!)
Now considered that when you try to over fill a drawer, it gets to a point where it just pops. Right now feminism, particularly in our schools, is requiring our boys to shut away more and more of who they are to keep the women happy. There’s also less of a drive to amend themselves into ” gentleman”. The drive is to change them; to feminize them.
And their drawers can only take so much of that shit before popping!
And to their credit a lot of them compartmentalize a lot of stuff away. But then there’s this outcry that more and more of them are “popping”: so we have to accelerate and re-intensify efforts to “change them”. Cue the Snowball Effect.
And when a man or a boy pops, it usually manifest physically. (Whereas a woman pushed too far tends to manifest emotionally or psychologically)
Maybe the male stubbornness, is a reflection of how stubborn we have to be to keep the wilder aspects of our nature pleasing in the sight of society (ie, the women)?
Which for us is an ongoing change requiring constant vigilance. If the gentleman slips, people can get hurt. ( which may be why we like to retreat to the den to watch a bunch of over-muscled men in tight pants tackle each other for possession of a little ball!)
@griz I got the “compartment” theory speech from Immortal Pirate and he compared his theory of compartmentalization to being the Titanic with it’s compartments and women being the sea surrounding. Then I threw in, “Until the sea comes in to flood your compartments and you sink.” Yeah, well then the Man/ship stops being a man ship and becomes a pile of junk overwhelmed by the woman/sea. What woman wants junk that she can totally dominate? I want a strong man that holds up on his own.
I guess I lied above when I said I have never seen a man change for a woman, but the change was not permanent —— so that equals no change.
One of my husbands did not cook and was totally against drinking alcohol. He was 51 and went through a mid-life thing. Our break up was over him having a new woman in his life —- a very demanding woman in his life. She was a young 22. I stood back and resented her ordering him around and having him buy her exotic wines. It was her idea that he sell her everything he owned and be basically “poor” when he divorced me. Her plan included that then marrying her would result in him getting all of his possessions back — via community property. She bought the house, 3 airplanes, a boat, cars, a race car, motorcycles, ski mobiles, the motorhome, and all his tools and equipment for what only amounted to $50.00. She paid only one dollar for each item. He divorced me as a “poor man”, owning nothing. I watched as this woman demanded that he cook her meals and serve her hand and foot. What infuriated me most was that he made her his whole world and revolved around her catering to her every whim. I had to get far away from him so that I did not see this. I was as angry as a woman can be. Watching him change into a moth fluttering around her like a flame was a total insult to me. I celebrated when 6 months later she kicked his ass into the street and she still had all of the possessions she had bought from him. She married another man that was her age and she laughed at my ex-husband for being a schmuck and an old man, too old for her. He was devastated and wanted to come back to me. —- hahahaha, NO! I lost all respect for him when he had given his all for her. In the end, he did not change. He reverted back to the person he was and searched for other 22 year olds to fill his voids, but he died an old man. He never remarried and died alone.
I want a man who knows who he is and what he wants.
@ladybarbara
The Titanic sunk! I like the analogy of a nice set of tool drawers. Have you seen those ones they park a pickup truck on?!
I wonder if a lot of the changes women want are inherent aspects of the man’s nature? We can control and “amend” them. But they are always there.
Just like there are aspects to women that are always there. To ask them to “change” them unto their never manifesting again would be an unfair request.
As for that ex: one gets hard the other gets soft! And there are women predators that are expert in psychological and emotional control and advantage. They are no more noble than the men who force physical and sexual advantage over women.
@griz I agree with you on those points.
I have never seen a tool box a truck can park on top of. I have seen the kind that go across the bed of the truck, next to the cab. But, I have a car that can be picked up by 3 men, and the little motor is in the back. You can sit on the tailgate to work on it.
I think that there has to be perimeters that are not crossed without permission. A woman needs to keep her hands out of a man’s wallet, and NEVER decide to clean up his tool and work bench. If he has a place that is only his, then it is only his. That means she is to keep her hands off of his stash of girly magazines, as well.
I prefer a man who says, “Here is the plan”, or “This is what we are going to do” rather than a man that looks to the woman for a plan. I know that there are a lot of women who like to lead and make all the plans. I don’t. But, if I do want to do something, or go somewhere, I ask him if we can do that. If I have a plan to go, regardless, I ask him if he wants to go. —- “I am going to a pot-luck dinner. Do you want to go?” —- He always has the option to say no, or to lead us on another plan. In the end, he is the Captain of our “ship” and there can only be one Captain.
@ladybarbara
Men tend to be keyed to be the captain
Just as women tend to be keyed to be the nurturer. It’s where they shine . Take that away from her man and what does he have? To be ” the mothered? You see so many men lit around by the nose as if they are the child.
And then we hear studies that women are more stressed than ever before from trying to take on too many roles?!
Sure, the woman CAN be the captain. But if there’s someone there who can do it, who isn’t doing anything else and who benefits greatly from that role, why take it from them just to prove that you can do it (and stress yourself out)?!
Women have nothing to prove: despite what the feminists are telling them.
@griz We have our “rolls” in this household. Then there are times that rolls are blended, or reversed. One night, I had to run to the auto parts store and I dropped the fixing of dinner to go repair my car. When I came home, Immortal Pirate had dinner cooked and ready to serve. Then there was last night that I had been working myself to a frazzle trying to clean up all the pods in the front yard —- dropped by the messy mesquite tree. It was 107 degrees out there!!! I came in the house dehydrated and at my physical end of endurance. Immortal Pirate was watching TV. Before I dropped an atomic bomb on his recliner, he got out there and helped me clean all that mess up. I am sure he did not even know what I had been doing outside. For all he knew, I was vacuuming out my car. We do help each other and we are capable of switching rolls. In our household there is a balance. We both put into it, but he wears the Pirate Captain’s clothing. Life is like dancing. It works out smoother if the man leads.
@ladybarbara
Life is a lot more peaceful and joyous when we are content in the roles that are placed before us: the roles that we tend to naturally excel at.
Both genders are perfectly capable of swapping roles if the need be. With childbirth being the exception. That is 100% guaranteed in the role of women! The guys can never touch or change this; and may even subconsciously be jealous of such a gender mandate dictated “from on high”.
Women have something that is entirely theirs. Whereas men don’t have a single thing that cannot be taken from us buy a determined woman out to prove something!
I find the current gender malcontent . . . quite baffling at times. Particularly when sexist groups get a hold of it.
It’s very nice to see a couple dancing in harmony: and not consumed by the desire to take something from the other that they really don’t need to.
Even if one truly can ” do everything”, it’s nice to let others do what they can. They benefit from it, and you are a lot less haggard for letting them!
The relationship advances AS a relationship: and not just as one control freak and their minion!
@griz I am totally in agreement.
But, men do have a hand in the birth of a child. (Well it was not their hand, but a body part that starts the whole process.) His part was short lived, but very important.
@ladybarbara
Let’s remember that we live in an age where the man can be physically absent at the conception of a child: they can even be dead, provided their “important contribution” was properly frozen! And the child can go on to have a perfectly normal, organic birth process. The father’s role becomes important later on in the child’s life; but in a way that is far less defined than the role of a mother.
And as a believer in God, I don’t think this is by mistake. Even in eras when men were abusing their dominant leadership roles, they had to respect the women for their innate ability to do what a man never could.
And now we are in an era where the women need to learn that just because they can take most things away from the men, they probably shouldn’t.
Yes. Stubborn is in mans nature.
@immortal_pirate
There’s down sides to it; particularly when foolish ego is afoot.
But do you think there’s been benefits for the species over the eons from it?
I’m not answering this one if I don’t want to and you can’t make me.
Not necessarily. Both men and women are equally stubborn, just in different ways. Otherwise why would we have a saying that says “happy wife, happy life?”
@Jear77
That aphorism may be more directed at the men: reminding them that domestic tranquility may be the reward of setting aside their stubbornness from time to time!
in my family Every one is stubborn :D so i dont know if i can say men are more innately stubborn than women. i know some pretty tenacious women, but maybe now im thinking about it i dont know any men who arent stubborn to some extent? im having a hard time committing to a response to this question arent i?!
so, are women more indecisive than men i wonder?!
@BelleMadre
Maybe it’s more like women have a greater tendency to stop and ask for directions or read the instructions than to push ahead saying “I don’t need no stinking instructions/ directions!”
could be @griz :D
this reminds me of the other week when i was trying to assemble some tall fans. good thing the boy child wasnt home while i was doing it :D cause the first fan definitely didnt go easy. directions are so basic on paper and i am like HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT THESE PARTS ARE CALLED?! but i figured it out and the 2nd fan was simple. i had this voice in the back of my head saying maybe i should ask someone to come over and help but i thought what kind of woman would i be if i ran from a fan hahaha
how do men deal with that frustration? was my behaviour stubborn or determined? is there a difference? would a man have even looked at the measly directions? or just winged it, probably based on some previous knowledge i guess. hmmmmmm :)
@BelleMadre
It’s worse than all that.
It sounds like you would have been running from your biggest fan!
The kid probably could have assembled it and had three parts left over!
A lot of times men deal with the frustration by going to the garage for a bigger hammer!
Think of the difference between saying someone is determined versus they are stubbornly determined. The latter seems like less of a compliment with a growing air of folly to it.
Someone who is determined to not get a ticket from a cop may or may not get the ticket.
But someone who is stubbornly determined will get the ticket and may find themselves on intimate terms with the police cruiser hood or experiencing the joys of tazing!
i am much better at the fine arts of deep breathing and taking a break from the problem than i was years ago. years ago it would have gone back in the box and been kicked hahahaha sure am glad of those fans now!
(biggest fan i saw what you did there lol)
@BelleMadre You are approaching the years where you tackle such projects as a mother and son team. Then, if he takes the lead and figures it out faster than you could have, you stand back and look at what he can do. (He is your masterpiece and you have raised him right). When he has finished the task, you let him know that he has done this well. This is how he will learn to do things.
My “ah ha” moment came when sitting in the passenger seat of my son’s car. He stepped on the break, stopping the car at the last minute on an orange light. Immediately, his arm shot out in front of me (even though I was wearing my seat belt). He was protecting me the way that my arm used to shoot out in front of him to protect him. Now, he was the adult and he was protecting me. We have switched rolls.
yes @ladybarbara ! i joke that he needs to hurry up and be old enough to learn to drive so i dont ever have to hahahah siiiiiiiiiiiiigh
its like that with lego. we build together, mostly cause it is something we can do together, that isnt video gaming. i love building legos with him. we follow the instructions for a while then we just sort of put that side and build our own sweet creations.
the other cute moment… he makes his own breakfast. we eat different types of foods, due to allergies or whatnot… we make our own breakfasts, but together. other day i wandered off for some reason, probably to get a work bag ready, and when i got back he had gotten my breakfast for me too. it was the sweetest thing. ive never been presented breakfast in bed (probably for the better, im not as fun and nice if woken :D) but that morning – that bowl of cereal and glass of juice was the nicest breakfast that ever there was! next up dinner?!
I think stubbornness is an individual and active choice we make based on a set of circumstances, personalities, and our ego. I don’t think that our genders determine it.
@mj
Anyone can choose to be stubborn.
I’ve just noticed the proclivity of it in men.
Just as women in general, have a proclivity towards certain behaviors and responses.
A gender tendency, does not automatically mean exclusivity!
But not blinding ourselves to these tendencies helps us to better understand ourselves and others.
I think we’re all under a great deal of pressure to “get it right” and we can all be rather stubborn when what we think is “right” is challenged. It’s a human issue more than just a man issue, I think.
I’m a stubborn Taurus and I’ve found that I completely exemplify that trait. The thing that breaks down my stubbornness is love. Love opens me up to the possibility to change. Love makes me listen, when I normally would not. Love makes me think about things I’ve never considered. Love changes my perspective and unhinges me from my stubborn tendencies.
@TruthDistillery
Love is like the balm that helps treat stubbornness!