RISE OF THE CYBERSAPIAN

Modern science has pushed the human condition to the point of becoming “enhanced” with artificial parts, bio-electrical implants, and lately, direct interface devices that would allow humans to connect to the internet world wide web without the use of a manual keyboard. Microchip technology, nanobots, and other more extreme “enhancements” may be the next step in the evolution of the species. It is only a matter of time before mankind becomes more machine than flesh , blood, and bones. I would caution man to not go down that road, having experienced first hand the horrors that arise from such enhancements, ( this refers to how and why I came to be exiled to this planet so many millennia ago ). Military nanobot technology/ creation of super soldiers…
I guess my question is, would you knowingly accept such enhancements if you knew the ultimate outcome of said enhancements had the potential to lead to your species destruction and or extinction?

37 responses to “RISE OF THE CYBERSAPIAN”

  1. ladybarbara says:

    NO!!! I would not want to have implanted devices that would lead to destruction of other people. I wouldn’t mind having attachments that help in my daily life, or a buzzer that lets me know when Mama Kitty is sleeping on our bed. I might like to have an attachment to plug into my car’s computer that would let me know via diagnostics what the car needs.

    As for you, when you are done playing with your artificial parts, bio-electrical implants, go wash your hands.

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  2. Fletch says:

    This concept is already in the works for implantation, voluntary or not.

    Thoughts and ideas through subliminal advertising, etc. But it would be pretty easy to get a chip planted. I’m sure the decision makers at McDonald’s and Coca Cola have been approached for getting little bugs into us.

    My vote would be no, but I don’t think there us much of a choice. :unamused:

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      • Fletch says:

        @immortal_pirate I think what you’re talking about is akin to the latest and greatest smart phones. They ‘WOW’ you with the bells and whistles and apps and screens, but it comes with a price. Your information, location, spending habits, friends, etc is being taken, and cataloged, and used, and shared.

        The new toy is great for a while, until you start thinking about all the sneaky shit.

        Some don’t care – maybe they should?

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      • @Fletch In a word…Terminator.

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    • griz says:

      @Fletch
      Anyone want to join me on a patent for an E.M. pulse-bath? Bathe in it regularly and it will nuke any little tech-bugs monster corporations try to implant in you!

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      • Fletch says:

        similar to the tattoo removal business.

        ‘we fix your bad decision’
        :rolf:

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      • Jear77 says:

        @griz ironically enough there’s a book which talks about a cure for cancer. In it, it advises using a homemade device that looks like it’s out of a science fiction movie to expose your food to and it’s supposed to kill the bugs in whatever it’s exposed to. How effective it is… or whether these bugs exist that your body cant’ get rid of is another question entirely!

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      • griz says:

        @Jear77
        It currently looks like cancer is a function of all of the things we absorb from the environment and not just through our gut. One might also have to filter the air they breathe, the chemicals their body is exposed to, increased ultraviolet radiation from the Sun. Etc.

        As for the company selling that device? One should check and see if they are an offshoot of the same company that sold Comet pills to protect you from the harmful effects of Halley’s Comet!

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      • Jear77 says:

        @griz LOL you misread that. I said “homemade” meaning you need to make it yourself!

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      • griz says:

        @Jear77
        I see that now! Most of these responses happen on the fly.

        So do they tell you how to make the device, or do you have to pay them for the plans!

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      • Jear77 says:

        @griz the plans are in the book… but you kinda need to know what you’re doing with electronics. Or you could end up with a nasty shock.

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  3. Spitfire3dC says:

    Probably, because I know if I didn’t, others would anyway.

    At some point, the survival instinct would kick in and choices would be made based on trying to maximize this moment we call Life.

    If I am being honest, I think I believe that I am just as worthwhile trying to prolong my time here as any one else. Not more than many, but as much as most.

    In reflection. I believe if I managed 100 years I would have a battle with cynicism, based on observation associated with seeing the selfishness of so many and a gratitude in seeing the unselfish acts of the few, that would hopefully give me a breadth of scope and a wisdom that has some value.

    That was a fuckin’ long sentence, but expresses my feelings to answer your question.

    I hope you make the same effort trying to understand it, as I just made trying to express it.

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    • @spitfire3dc I did exert the same effort to understand your response.

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    • griz says:

      @spitfire3dc
      I think this needs to be tempered against the wisdom of the lemmings. When they take off on their little rodent stampedes across the tundra and off cliffs, their destruction is most likely not their intent. Base instinct is driving them to survive in to make the most of the moment. But the end result is the opposite.
      And the few little squeakers who resisted the urge to go along with the crowd, become the repopulators of the species.

      Also, I think our resident extra testicle might be thinking less of medical tech for healing and repair, than using it to experiment on “supering” ourselves for no reason other than gaining tactical advantage one over the other.

      I don’t know if I would want to “compete” ( or even participate) in such a social experiment gone crazy.

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      • griz says:

        @griz
        Damn you autocorrect!
        Apologies to our resident extraterrestrial!

        I didn’t catch this in enough time to edit it; and was in no way implying a superfluous cybernetic nut!

        (Though wouldn’t that be a helluva rumor to start!)

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      • @griz I had that third nut surgically removed before coming to Earth…lol

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      • griz says:

        @immortal_pirate
        If it’s in a jar on the shelf in formaldehyde we don’t want to know!

        Did you hear about the visiting Scottish fellow who wanted his American friend to take him to an American baseball game and explain it to him?

        As the game progressed the American explained the basics of it and his Scottish friend really started getting in the game. He hooted and shouted at the players smashing balls with sticks and then running around the bases like hell.
        But then the pitcher walked a batter and the Scotsman was confused. He friend explained that he got to walk because he had 4 balls.

        “He does???!!” exclaimed his friend in shock. He thought about it for a minute before standing up and shouting in his best Scottish brogue, “Walk proudly son . . . Walk proudly!”

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  4. Jear77 says:

    This is the “slippery slope fallacy.” Each person who gets whatever enhancements will decide for him/her self what s/he will do with them. Just because one person – or a dozen – or a hundred – or even a million gets something implanted in their bodies, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing. And just because a few may misuse it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad overall. If that were the case, that would mean that sex in and of itself would be considered evil because some people use it for harm. Fingers would be considered evil because they can steal things. This is simply not true.

    Why wouldn’t it necessarily be a bad thing? Maybe it might make us more aware of some things we do that we ought not. Maybe it would allow us more leisure time to do as we please instead of toiling away needlessly. Provided we are able to have control over what it does and shut it off when we don’t want it, where’s the harm? So we need to make sure that the safety features are in place to turn it off… or have the ability to block its signal somehow – lead, being an an EMP zone, etc.

    I for one am all for it. And that is my decision. None will sway me.

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    • @Jear77 You would jump blindly, into a future where you would have no personal control, and be lost.

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      • Jear77 says:

        @immortal_pirate By being aware of what’s possible I can watch out for any negative potentialities and deal with them if OR once they occur, not before. But I’m not going to worry about them if they’re not there… OR seek them out if they’re not present.

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      • griz says:

        @Jear77
        Because our species has such an awesome history of seeing the pile of crap before we step in it, eh?
        :tease:

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      • Jear77 says:

        @griz I think there’s a difference between being aware, being cautious of new things and being outright paranoid. Disapproving people who do this, disallowing it by law is simply going overboard when we really don’t know that there are the negative consequences of said technology yet. And once we do, it’ll be a long time in coming before it actually causes the level of problems foretold. We all see the problems of pollution, but I don’t see you stopping driving your truck or the next person not driving to work or to the store. If you’re worried about this potentiality, the damage that you are doing to the environment as you drive should be LOTS more worrisome!

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      • griz says:

        @Jear77
        Our species has an unbroken history of stubbornly refusing to let awareness of pitfalls keep us from falling into them.

        And while legislation may be going overboard, it may also be the most effective tool for protecting ourselves from ourselves. At least in the short-term; perhaps hoping for a maturity that’s so far is very late in arriving.

        You may be right about the driving of my truck. Even though it is well maintained and waits for full loads. But I lived carbon neutral and even carbon negative for most of my life. So I could do this for the rest of my working life and still be well below my carbon budget compared to most people — especially urbanites!
        Plus I wanted to give living in a polluted and consumption-based society a fair go while I still had some years left. I had to see if all of the stress and abundant carcinogens were worth the pay off that our society obviously thinks they are!

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      • griz says:

        @immortal_pirate
        Agreed.

        We tend to think ourselves far more clever than our history reveals: and prove ourselves repeatedly foolish in not recognizing and reversing .this trend.

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    • griz says:

      @Jear77
      History shares many such “slippery slope fallacies” where a few innocent steps, then a few more and just a couple after that . . . had person or even entire nations sliding towards a destination they hadn’t expected.

      Human-accelerated climate-change is a good present example. As too is the cycle of pornography. Sure, you’re just admiring their beauty. But at some indeterminate point they cease to become beautiful people and just become objects purposed entirely for the gratification of one’s feelings. And then it’s not just on the page or screen, but when you see them in real life.
      It’s a powerful “fallacy” my friend!

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  5. griz says:

    We are not nearly as clever as we would like to think we are when it comes to messing with the fabric of life.
    One does not have to look far to assemble a rogue’s list of “improvements” that either have or are in the process of backfiring horrendously on us.

    And now we think we can supercharge these things with technology and somehow escape a “supercharged” outcome??

    We are already seeing a vast dehumanizing of the society by letting technology run more and more aspects of our lives. More and more in human snafus are happening and being blamed on the computers; by people who lament they have no control over the computers and that this is a bad thing. ( do we Master them, or do they Master us?)

    The problem though is not the technology. It is human hubris and pride, and outright foolishness in the application of greater and greater “supercharging” of de-provements. . . under the guise of them being improvements.

    The drive to do something ” just because we can” and we THINK it’s going to be cool, is running away with us.

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    • @griz Perhaps I should have qualified my opening argument with a statement about artificial intelligence and it’s military applications.
      Imagine, if you will, an army of super soldiers enhanced with nano-bots and A.I. implants that replace their sense of humanity. Bio-mechanical automatons that follow orders without question…at some point they leave behind their humanity and view humanity as an infestation that needs to be eradicated.

      TERMINATORS…Technology run amuck. Homo-sapiens being replaced by Cyber-sapiens.

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      • griz says:

        @immortal_pirate
        I don’t know if you’re a Star Trek fan or not. (You probably nit-pick all the things about space they got wrong!). But I was watching a Deep Space 9 episode the other night where an accident causes a cascading brain injury in a character who is still needed for one last final great service to his people. He volunteers to have increasing sections of his brain replaced with cybernetic implants; and the point inevitably comes where he is more machine than human.
        And the comment is made that just because science can do something like this, is not always a good reason to go ahead and do it.

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      • @griz I am a fan of Star Trek, in all of the variations of the franchise. Think BORG, Enhancement overkill…
        My world was destroyed by such enhancement, not so much by an outside invading force but by our own zeal for military superiority. Both sides, opposing national factions, leapt headlong in a race for superiority. Much like the nuclear arms race this planet is so engaged in and has been pursuing for far too long. Though not human but still humanoid, our species lost it’s humanity at some point, with disastrous results. Some of us survived only by leaving the home world before it was too late. Earthbound man has not yet reached the capability to escape en-mass should it become necessary.
        My greatest fear is that this planet, (Earth), will one day reach the same level of technology that destroyed my planet. Robert Oppenheimer was correct when he said of himself, “I have become the destroyer of worlds.”

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      • griz says:

        @immortal_pirate

        We do seem hell-bent to eradicate vital assets like wisdom and humility from the human genome.

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