@Scarlett
All games have rules. Life is not a game, but a series of games. The parent game. The child game. The friend game. The spouse game. The mentor game. The employee game. The relationship game. The economic game. The leisure game. The society game. The ethics game. The religion game. The spirituality game. The student game. You get the idea.
Most are “finite game”, played in specific ways in specific places, in specific time-constraints, with specific sets of rules, with assessed penalties for violating them. They tend to be exclusive. They are analogous to sporting events.
All together, they are the meta-game. And depending upon how one chooses to play this, it can be “an infinite game”, where the rule is, “The rules change to include as many players, on as many playing fields across time as possible”. The goal of “winning”, changes to “being” . . . and a successful meta-game means the most successes at the greatest number of small games within the meta-game.
For example, one can be outrageously successful at the economic and career game, but sacrifice the family and spouse and friend and leisure and relationship and ethics game for it’s sake. And that makes them more a loser in the meta-game.
I’m writing this late, and in a bit of rush; so the brain’s turned to mush!
But I’m pondering whether the more complex games within the meta-game (ethics, spirituality) might also be “infinite” rather than “finite”? I’ll have to ponder on this some more.
And by “worlds”, I was thinking of our physical world, possible other physical worlds, perhaps spiritual or meta-physical worlds?
But the brain-mush takes over! I just drove from outside San Fran to Toronto just to turn around and head back to Denver. So I’m a little toasted!
@Jear77
The bird-and-light is more of perceptual experiment. The Stanford Prison Experiment inferred as secondary effect, some of the precepts of Jungian philosophy. But its main focus was the psychological effects of perceived power. Plus it happened 10 years after his death, so he was not involved.
His studies were mostly an extension of his clinical practice as a world-renowned psychiatrist and psychoanalyst. He showed that patients including very young children were responding in almost autonomic ways to his proposed behavioral archetypes; happening in some of the children at stages far earlier than one would expect social conditioning to have being a significant factor.
He proposed they may be programmed at a genetic level.
(The Audible app doesn’t give page references. But what I’ve “read” so far in “The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious” is compelling)
@griz the thing of it is any sort of game dynamics, social structure, etc, i’m not good at, as i’m not particularly fond of hard and fast rules systems. I play fast and loose.
@Jear77
The neat things about things we’re not good at, is that we can become passable — if not good at them.
And in mastering parts of oneself, one moves a step closer to mastering oneself. And this is the only place where greater levels of self-actualization can happen.
There will come a day when “playing fast and loose” will transform into a regret. Perhaps an untenable block.
I understand the appeal. And do you truly see me as someone who doesn’t find reason from time to time to “play fast and loose”?
But part of growing up has to include taking responsibility for ourselves as an organism, within the social construct, and as a valuable part of the Greater Whole.
@Jear77
Without the game you are less than Smoke & Mirrors.
Existence happens whether you desire it or not. Consciousness happens whether you desire it or not. Railing at it or even stupefying it doesn’t make it go away. It just creates more of the suffering that you can’t deal with.
The productive manufacturing process of nucleotide.
No idea why the Universe needs us as a constant manufacturing facility, but we just keep making them even though it seems that we don’t personally need them to survive our relatively short lifespans.
Meaning not included.
…oh life in one sentence?
YOU ARE GOING TO DIE! ((the meaning of(?))life in one sentence in a threatening tone to oneself said mostly inside thee head)
19 responses to “State the meaning of life in one sentence.”
Balanced productivity across all games and worlds.
@griz is the world a game with a rule set?
@Scarlett
All games have rules. Life is not a game, but a series of games. The parent game. The child game. The friend game. The spouse game. The mentor game. The employee game. The relationship game. The economic game. The leisure game. The society game. The ethics game. The religion game. The spirituality game. The student game. You get the idea.
Most are “finite game”, played in specific ways in specific places, in specific time-constraints, with specific sets of rules, with assessed penalties for violating them. They tend to be exclusive. They are analogous to sporting events.
All together, they are the meta-game. And depending upon how one chooses to play this, it can be “an infinite game”, where the rule is, “The rules change to include as many players, on as many playing fields across time as possible”. The goal of “winning”, changes to “being” . . . and a successful meta-game means the most successes at the greatest number of small games within the meta-game.
For example, one can be outrageously successful at the economic and career game, but sacrifice the family and spouse and friend and leisure and relationship and ethics game for it’s sake. And that makes them more a loser in the meta-game.
I’m writing this late, and in a bit of rush; so the brain’s turned to mush!
But I’m pondering whether the more complex games within the meta-game (ethics, spirituality) might also be “infinite” rather than “finite”? I’ll have to ponder on this some more.
And by “worlds”, I was thinking of our physical world, possible other physical worlds, perhaps spiritual or meta-physical worlds?
But the brain-mush takes over! I just drove from outside San Fran to Toronto just to turn around and head back to Denver. So I’m a little toasted!
@griz that’s the key problem. I don’t play games i have no stake in. And the best way pf having skin in the game? Money.
@Jear77
Jung proved that we play far more games than we consciously realize. Even ones we don’t consciously recognize a stake in.
A lot of them are predicated more by biology than by conscious choice.
@griz perhaps. You mean the bird and light (sound?) Experiment? Or was that the prisoner/ guard scenario?
@Jear77
The bird-and-light is more of perceptual experiment. The Stanford Prison Experiment inferred as secondary effect, some of the precepts of Jungian philosophy. But its main focus was the psychological effects of perceived power. Plus it happened 10 years after his death, so he was not involved.
His studies were mostly an extension of his clinical practice as a world-renowned psychiatrist and psychoanalyst. He showed that patients including very young children were responding in almost autonomic ways to his proposed behavioral archetypes; happening in some of the children at stages far earlier than one would expect social conditioning to have being a significant factor.
He proposed they may be programmed at a genetic level.
(The Audible app doesn’t give page references. But what I’ve “read” so far in “The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious” is compelling)
@griz the thing of it is any sort of game dynamics, social structure, etc, i’m not good at, as i’m not particularly fond of hard and fast rules systems. I play fast and loose.
@Jear77
The neat things about things we’re not good at, is that we can become passable — if not good at them.
And in mastering parts of oneself, one moves a step closer to mastering oneself. And this is the only place where greater levels of self-actualization can happen.
There will come a day when “playing fast and loose” will transform into a regret. Perhaps an untenable block.
I understand the appeal. And do you truly see me as someone who doesn’t find reason from time to time to “play fast and loose”?
But part of growing up has to include taking responsibility for ourselves as an organism, within the social construct, and as a valuable part of the Greater Whole.
@griz you don’t understand. I don’t desire to play. It’s stupid. These games, they’re illusions, having no real substance, smoke and mirrors.
@Jear77
Without the game you are less than Smoke & Mirrors.
Existence happens whether you desire it or not. Consciousness happens whether you desire it or not. Railing at it or even stupefying it doesn’t make it go away. It just creates more of the suffering that you can’t deal with.
@griz so be it.
@Jear77
Remember the debate format I proposed.
Is this “final argument”?
If so, my final comment is that we lose ourselves when we become that which we say we hate.
The productive manufacturing process of nucleotide.
No idea why the Universe needs us as a constant manufacturing facility, but we just keep making them even though it seems that we don’t personally need them to survive our relatively short lifespans.
Love.
You thought of that already, and realized it could be a sentence, whatever the end quotation mark is.
Five to one, that I am right.
Reasonable and quiet enjoyment brings peace to the soul.
To live. No outside meaning needed
Meaning not included.
…oh life in one sentence?
YOU ARE GOING TO DIE! ((the meaning of(?))life in one sentence in a threatening tone to oneself said mostly inside thee head)