According to the bible, god is the great physician. Hippocrities’ oath states “First, do no harm. Yet oddly enough, the great physician asks for his people to kill animals for a “cure” for their soul’s cancer. But it’s not as effective of a cure as he would like, as they are still dying, the cancer is still there. Then he sends his son as a sacrifice to be the ultimate panacea. But drinking of him is ineffective at best, and banal at worst. So much for not doing any harm!
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29 responses to “the Hippocratic oath and the great physician”
The logic disconnect there is trying to apply a relatively new and entirely temporal corporeal reasoning to a very old spiritual (non-corporeal) and allegedly even eternal system.
Roughly speaking, it is as flawed as trying to condemn an ancient (or even alien?) culture according to our current legal or ethical standards.
The only thing accomplished . . . is a shot to the ego.
@griz the point is that in reality there us no way the system won’t harm someone. A doctor who prescribes killing animals as a means of curing ills would be seen as nothing more than a quack. Why treat god, the great physician any differently? Also, a doctor whose treatments kill or injured their patients would face malpractice lawsuits. Why do we excuse god from these?
@Jear77
The same logic disconnect.
That which is fleeting, seeks to judge that which is enduring by it’s own fleeting standards.
Do you really think this is a stance that logic can support?
Reason?
Intellect?
Science?
@griz but this enduring thing is no way subject to the laws of science.
One look at the prescriptions show they all fail.
Examples:
– mixing fabrics, a sin, but science says is ok, in fact beneficial
– eating pork, a sin, but science says pork fat the 8th most nutritious fat
– having sex outside of marriage is a sin, according to science not that bad (but one needs to use protection to avoid STDs & pregnancies [if one is in a hetero normative relationship])
– sprinkling the blood of a dead bird around your house cures leprocy.
– prayer works. Uhm… no scientific evidence shows it’s worse than the control group.
And the few things that do work are common sense. Thing like Don’t kill, steal, or sass your parents.
@Jear77
I read that placebo is more effective to people if they’re told it costs more per dose.
The Belief Connection………
@Jear77
It absolutely is not subject to the laws of science. At least not as we currently understand them. Also if science only sees things physical . . . things non-physical cannot even be inferred.
You very easily (and constantly!) ignore the context of the times. Things like, the Old Covenant was not with us, but with a different people of a different time . . . and for a different purpose (to show that physical works trying to comply with Law couldn’t work).
Those people lacked the ability to render pork safe from trichinosis. Mixed fibers was a spiritual lesson. Fidelity as a groundwork for trust was an essential lesson — plus with no birth control children were often the result and science has already shown there is no better place for a child to grow up than within a stable heterosexual relationship of natural parents. The sprinkling of blood (a lamb’s blood) was a foreshadowing. Prayer is more a fellowship exercise than a pony wishing machine.
I KNOW you’re not this dense Jear; but I do know that you are driven by an ideology to try to weave these things together as a hate-construct as prelude to your anticipated take-over of the position of God in so much as you are concerned.
(Connecting any dots YET?? Who else from antiquity tried to walk this path?)
@griz then the god of the bible should have been able to update his words as times changed. He is powerless to do so, unfortunately.
@Jear77
If one is in fellowship with the Author, one doesn’t need constant written updates.
Especially if the original instructions were totally sufficient to get the ball rolling
@griz bullshit.
@Jear77
In what way?
If you are present with someone, you don’t need constant written updates on them.
@griz ah! Now we get to the crux of the issue. PRESENT means “in person”
– someone you can see – nope – to see god would be to die
– hear – if i have to be in an area of total silence to hear a whisper, it ain’t gonna happen, and I highly doubt god would want to speak in this dimension and thus destroy it just for me
– smell (yes, we all have an odor, whether we want to admit it or not)
– physically touch – a backrub, a hand on the shoulder, a handshake
NONE of the things that anyone with 2 brain cells would count as a physical presence apply.
Nice try. Fail
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@Jear77
There is perhaps an “artform” in not trying to put limitations in the limitless!
In not presuming that WE are the model.
In not presuming that our perspective is the only perspective; that our reality is not the only reality.
It’s an arrogance/humility equation.
@griz Then why doesn’t this presence offer something to let us know it’s near by? I know! By letting itself be filmed maybe (not visible to the eye, but would show up on film. Or maybe electrical disturbances – no TV or cell reception. How about temperature changes? It being extremely cold on a hot day, or extremely hot on a cold day. Changing the laws of physics maybe? Water flowing uphill or perhaps people randomly not being affected by gravity might be an option. Or maybe even duplicating the events of christ’s resurrection and having the previously dead walk about. No? Then why call it a presence when nothing reliable happens? At that point, it’s nothing more than nonsense.
@Jear77
It does.
But according to the rules of eternity, not temporality.
(Which when you think of it, is imminently logical).
But the down-side?
Our ego has to take a back seat.
(Which BTW, is not kicking it out of the car!)
@griz if i can’t use it here and now i will say no thanks forever.
@Jear77
Even wrote ideologue religion can be scientifically shown to have beneficial purpose in the Here and Now.
Just look at things people have endured just in the name of words written on paper, even with no spiritual aspect to it.
@griz I think you meant “ever” as your first word.
The thing is I have been waiting for my entire life, as has everyone else who doesn’t believe in this particular god. Before you give the whole shtick of “oh, what more does he need to do for you, die?” Dying on the cross, an event that literally happened to thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people… isn’t particularly spectacular. Also, since we all die, it’s a run of the mill experience that no one can avoid.
@jear77
The first two words should have been “Even rote”
People wait for God to comply to the dictates of their ego. For what they want to happen in a certain way at a certain time. There are many Christian religions that take this as a baseline.
@griz you mean the stuff like chanting and meditating,hand gestures and the like? I agree. But my life isn’t going to stop while I do these things. And I know enough of biofeedback that I can control my blood pressure, temperature without them
@Jear77
I find the spiritual and philosophical paths to be more about controlling the mind.
And when that’s firing on all cylinders the stuff with the body tends to take care of itself.
Chanting and hand gestures? I suppose they can prove useful!
I use a classic 3 finger meditation trigger, but that took years and years to develop; and one can meditate effectively without it.
It’s simply speeds up entry into a meditative state where you can start getting things done .
@griz erred, “Those people lacked the ability to render pork safe from trichinosis.”
Yeah, they didn’t have fire until the new testament?
“I KNOW you’re not this dense….”
“Connecting any dots YET??”
@luftballooneyegouge
What is the only fuel that was/still is naturally available in the Sinai wilderness?
Compare the cooking temperature achievable by such fuel, with the heat necessary to kill trichinosis (both are very well documented online.)
@griz
Obviously, one of the Bible’s most entertaining moments is God’s “punishment” that they had to cook their food with shit.
As for temp:
“Regarding temperatures of dung-fuelled fires, my experiment in Egypt with local village-made dung cake fuel (using palm fronds for initial tinder) produced a maximum of 640 degrees C in 12 minutes, falling to 240 degrees C after 25 minutes and 100 degrees C after 46 minutes. These temperatures were obtained without refuelling and without bellows etc. I’m not sure what the dung consisted of exactly but was probably a mixture of water buffalo, cow, and perhaps donkey dung. The full time/temperature records are published on p. 276 in:
D. Samuel (1989) Their staff of life: Initial investigations on ancient Egyptian bread baking In: B. J. Kemp, ed. Amarna Reports V, London: Egypt Exploration Society, pp 253-290.”
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~nmiller0/dung.html
Pork should be cooked to 71°c for trich, so, once again, you’re WRoNG!
@luftballooneyegouge
I could well be. But congratulations are in order for this being the first time I can remember you providing reference and not just “asserting” I was wrong. So well done!
I don’t suppose you know if the ancient Hebrews fabricated dung cakes or just used the raw form as many ancient cultures did? There is speculation from climatic data that the Sinai then was similar to today. So I’m not sure where they would get the palm fronds to start what was essentially a compressed fuel pellet.
(Remember our differing motivations. I’m looking for truth; you are just looking for defeat/victory!)
@griz
If you were looking for truth, how come it bounces right off ye? There’s palms in Sinai today so by your own….. reasoning…….
Congratulations on forgetting all the times I showed you were wrong with a link added. This is obviously a waste of my time.
as for: “(Remember our differing motivations. I’m looking for truth; you are just looking for defeat/victory!)”
You aren’t looking for anything much more than an interactive way to fill your gap, when you have down time. That truth bullshit is just you imagining yourself sportin’ a toga on a pedestal.
@luftballooneyegouge
Uh, sorry for having a job that requires my time elsewhere and often leaves me without internet?
What makes you think this just bounced off of me? That is a point I have to do more thinking on — but still wonder about the ancient Hebrews having that technology. There are palms at oases. But those are few and far between. Remember the number of times when lack of water was a major concern to them. They could have carried them around — but chances are there were more important things to be carried than old palm fronds they could use to cook their forbidden pork!
If you think it’s a waste of time then feel free not to interact. But personally I don’t think too many interactions in life are waste of time. Because I don’t think people are a waste of time.
Uh, pedestals don’t fit well in a truck; and a toga would just get me beat up by the other truckers!
@griz said “I could well be.”
NO! You are wrong unquestionably.
…….later dipshit.
@luftballooneyegouge
I thought you would enjoy a win! (So that IS what you crave!)
Bye for now.
@Jear77
I’m agnostic, but I’m gettin’ old!
I think the thing with a God might be our interpretation and the attributes we might wanna hang on such an entity aren’t based on anything more than imagination.
…..expectations
It’s easier to make a God in our minds as all-this & all-that, but really in the texts the God we kick the tires on, has limitations. For example, It can’t find Adam & Eve when they’re hiding.
It’s a kind of a packaged binary thing of either God is perfect, or it’s not perfect & can’t be God, & I like to break through to the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, & 13th possibility, & leave behind the binary on/off yes/no true/false one/zero black/white day/night…. limitations.
As for anything on this earth, it’s up to me, but I can still blame shit on him for levity.