what could the opposite sex do to make your life easier?
the opposite sex could stop before they do a thing or say a thing, and ask themselves, “am I helping?” Given the plight of women, I think it might be prudent for the opposite sex to simply stop and think.
My partner already does make my life easier. It is like we work as a tag team. I cooked dinner and after we ate, I fell asleep in my recliner. Immortal Pirate took my empty plate from my hands as I slept. He put the leftover dinner in refrigerator containers and rinsed the pan and dishes. When I awoke, I washed dishes. We make a good team.
It is very hard for me to not compliment a pretty woman. I have to fight that. You never know when an honest, genuine, not for personal gain, compliment will be misconstrued as a flirt designed to test for more.
@spitfire3dc I agree that we are an aesthetically pleasing bunch. In any case, I was recently asked if there was a way for a man to ask for sex from a woman without being offensive. I said that it was mostly about vibes, and being able to correctly communicate or read signals.
I don’t personally get offended at complIments, but I believe I can understand how some women do, after being born with the body parts of a stigma
@Scarlett If you have to ask, the protocol to arrive at consensual activation has been not properly executed.
Although now, it would be OK for a woman to ask. That will change. Harassment is easily proven against men when this happens. It’s only a matter of time when the pendulum stabilizes at the centre.
In the olden days (my youth) it was ok to test the waters with, “Wanna come back to my place?” which was a euphemism for an invitation to have sex. Another one was, “Wanna have breakfast afterwards?” Nothing threatening. Just offierng up choices that could easily…as they usually were…rejected.
@spitfire3dc How ironic… I was just about to say, “They could stop cat-calling on the streets”. When I complained about that once, one person told me to just suck it up and learn to take a compliment. Yeah… I don’t think a bark is a compliment. Also, the cat-callers sometimes get angry at me when I blatantly ignore their “compliments” – to add insult to injury.
Thing is, there are gorgeous guys out there. But women, or at least I, don’t feel the need to say, “whoa, you’re gorgeous.” Because that would be weird. They are the way they are and it has nothing to do with me.
Also, think about it this way: you usually only give compliments to people you deem inferior. E.g. you never exactly compliment your boss.
To stop over-using the “victimhood” card for anything and everything!
To abolish feminism. Equality is fine, provided it is equal both coming and going. But sexist agendas that try to solve the world’s problems by addressing just the needs, concerns and feelings of 1/2 the population just suck.
@griz I don’t think most feminists are interested in that. Maybe a sub-population of young adult females who don’t yet fully understand how the world works, but real feminists aren’t about pushing men out of the way so that women have all the good stuff.
Feminism is very much needed. On the one hand, there aren’t enough women in the sciences (and this has absolutely nothing to do with women’s biology; a brain is a brain, not gonads, not gender role). But they are discouraged often-times. And when they do get into it, they get far less recognition. It’s only been a recent push that, say, the real mapper of the ocean floor has been enabled to be given one of the highest scientific recognitions, and not her male colleague/professor. It’s getting better, but there are still some tweaks needed here and there. But at least now, most men in the sciences are on board with all this and equally concerned, and many are also now feminists.
Most importantly, though, we need feminism because men keep harassing women in the workspace (at least, in Geology, 80% victims are female). So long as that happens, feminists will continue to stick around and fight back. Because rape is worse than some guys feeling uncomfortable about women demanding their rights as human beings.
Then again, maybe what you think of “feminism” is different from my own definition. It’s all about perception.
@georockstar09
It’s less about “pushing the men aside” as not exercising even basic consideration for them (or increasingly, the boys).
Yes, women are under-represented in the sciences: but they are even more grossly under-represented in society’s dangerous, drudging, disgusting and dirty jobs as well. Why do we hear zero outcry here, while entertaining copious outcry about under-representation in the top-paying 3% of jobs? Something doesn’t track: provided “equality” is truly the issue.
Equality is needed; not more sexism. Unless as you might inadvertently be pointing out, equality is not really the issue with feminism. It’s less about brainpower and ability as preference, what people are drawn to, and how they apply their strengths. And the sexes experience different draws to different jobs, and go about them in very different ways.
Which then ties back to my first point of society’s “dreg” jobs, almost totally being done by men: and not always because they like them or are “drawn” to them: they are just not considered fit or desirable jobs for women.
So is this about equality? Or about something else, like advantage?
It is not right to castigate all women for the sins of a few who gold-dig, conspire to break up marriages, use men (or boys) as sexual objects, or ply their own special brand of psychological/emotional abuse upon the opposite sex.
But we live increasingly in a time when it is considered “right” to castigate all men for the sins of the few (and increasingly the boys who have no idea what the battle of the sexes is about, or that it’s now fought with the emotional equivalency of thermonuclear bombs and biological weapons)
So is this taking away the ladies’ “power card”?
Or just saying that on an equal playing field, nobody should have such power cards over the other?
@griz
(Hmm. This got kinda long. I hope it doesn’t come off as too much of a rant or anything)
I have heard the “dirty, dangerous jobs” argument for anti-feminism quite a lot. The problem is, I have been both a janitor (dirty) and a night guard (dangerous). I CHOSE to do those jobs. I loved being a janitor. The difference is, if I try to apply to a high level job, I am less likely to get it as a woman than as a man. But men are very very free to not apply for the disgusting and dangerous jobs. So the fact that women TRY to get and are BARRED from certain opportunities, has nothing to do with the fact that it’s mostly men who CHOOSE to do the disgusting/dangerous jobs.
Like I said, a lot of MEN are feminists. Examples: Trevor Noah, on the Daily Show. Or Jon Stewart. Or my Dad. Or a lot of my male friends. Feminists aren’t about bashing men. Feminists are about resolving the problem that when an employer sees the applicant’s name, and notices it’s a woman’s name – or a black person’s or Latino’s name, this is a problem too – they are less likely to call for an interview than if the name is Robert Smith – even if the applications are identical. (There have been several experiments on this)
And feminism is needed to resolve the issue where male preschool teachers are stigmatized. After all, feminism is about equality. And I’ve had a male friend who quit his job because he couldn’t take it anymore, even though he loved working with kids. That’s not just. And feminism is required for that issue. If men were less portrayed as needing to be super-masculine, that is, we could tone that masculinity down a notch, it would benefit both men AND women, and it wouldn’t be so weird for a muscular guy to comb his daughter’s hair.
So to recap – Feminism is about equality of RIGHTS and OPPORTUNITIES for BOTH sexes, and about eliminating prejudices (i.e. sexism) on BOTH sides (men against women, women against men, men against men etc.).
@georockstar09
Everything in life has a cost to benefit ratio. It is both regrettable and alarming that one cannot point out that costs are rising and benefits decreasing without having the “black spot” of anti-feminist pronounced upon them.
Nor can one raise concerns that the hypocrisy level is rising in feminism; or that “equality” has become a very biased and prejudicial thing. Or that stats are routinely farmed and confabulated as a matter of course for emotionally sensational news stories while contradictory data is quashed and its authors personally attacked.
Or that an increasing number of young boys exposed to school approved feminist curriculums are less likely than girls to go on to post-secondary education; and leave feeling they are somehow to blame for all of the woes of humanity unless they “feminize”.
These are all cautions that the cost to benefit ratio is trending the wrong way.
Now add to this how followers have been groomed to either summarily dismissed or viciously attack anyone who might dare commit heresy against preached Party Doctrine.
@griz Whether “anti-feminist” is a black spot or not is entirely up to you. It isn’t to me. I have come across many anti-feminists on the interwebs. Some had valid concerns. I, for one, agree with a lot of them that men should have equal opportunity to custody of their kids.
You are free to raise your concerns, but someone like me might attempt to debunk a lot of them. But again, you and I seem to have very different ideas about what the term “feminism” means. I had stated that the feminism I know is something that eliminates prejudice, you state that feminism is marred in prejudice. Which one is it?
So maybe let’s get down to basics: What do you mean by “feminism”? And since you brought it up, what do you mean by “School approved feminist curricula”?
I just wanted to say that I appreciate someone I can simply disagree with, and present viewpoints that may not be “trending” right now!
Did you participate in the thread on whether a lie was still a lie if you didn’t believe it? I responded that the trespass was in the intent.
I would invite you to examine the intent in calling someone an anti-feminist. It draws battle lines, and degrades it from a simple differing viewpoint, to shades of “enemy”. In that most certainly is not my intent.
Feminism is defined by those who participate in the battle, in the protest. This produces the fruit of feminism, that is then there for all to take note of. I am not trying to classify it as something. I simply look at what it classifies itself as with its actions and consequences; costs and benefits.
And while it’s not fair to harvest isolated cases, there comes a point when enough isolated cases start to show a theme or trend. We are at that point with feminism; where it is starting to reveal that it’s party line of equality is more doctrine of fluid convenience, favoring one gender over the other. Which is what the original women’s movements arose to address; and rightfully so.
As for the school approved curriculum, Google topics like “the war on boys”, and “is my school biased against boys”.
These things are out there; and growing in prevalence. But they run contrary to “Party Doctrine”: and anyone of professional standing (ie teachers media outlets, businesses) who tried to bring them to light are very brutally and effectively castigated. (Ie, Christina Hoff Sommers)
This is not about what I think feminism is. It’s about an unbiased assessment of increasingly disturbing costs and benefits.
So I ask you: where is the threat is feminism bows out and equality becomes the new social movement? An equality that does not look at everything through the lens of just one gender’s feelings and concerns.
@griz OK so I guess you are saying feminism was important in the past, but the balance has basically tipped in some portions of society, especially schools. Whereas my view of feminism is to achieve equality and nothing more.
I guess, then, that maybe we need a new term for what I mean as “feminism” – the thing that works on little tweaks as well as a few major tweaks here and there to eliminate employment bias (which is getting better), sexual harassment (it’s all over the news these days… I’m kinda wondering if they’re trying to detract our attention from something else at this point), objectification, or belittling women’s input in discussions. Things that work to eliminate prejudicial behaviors in men in order to achieve equality for women – but nothing more. Not preferential behavior or anything like that. If there’s a term for that, even if it’s as long as “equal rights between men and women”, I’ll go with that.
And some personal experiences have shown that I think we still have a long way’s to go and we still need, uh… advocates for equality of rights between men and women.
By the way, I watched the video on school discrimination against boys. I don’t disagree, that’s obviously not an achievement of equality between the sexes. But that’s probably a by-product of the fact that women are more likely “expected to be teachers” as a career (which is not very much in accordance with the feminist movement) so there are more women teachers and they set the system up according to female nature.
@georockstar09
The women’s rights movement was in the past. It was essential and did good work. But it was not feminism. That is something new; based more on maintaining power and control then on equality. There are certainly still social issues to be addressed. But they need to be addressed by a movement of true equality.
I have worked a lot closer with far more teachers and school kids than most people here. I have seen what feminism says it is; I’ve heard what people think it is; and I’ve also seen what it really is — what it accepts, manifest as, does and doesn’t do, endorses and condemns. I’ve seen how it treats young boys in it’s care. (Included in this are feminist mothers who rage against men within earshot of their sons. I’ve heard their first-hand stories that they don’t dare to share with anyone else).
Feminism’s interest in equality and social justice starts and ends with women. Inequalities and injustices are rarely even touched if the victims are male: and certainly not if a woman is the victimizer.
I’ve seen just too many cases where if the genders of the victim and victimizer were switched, feminism would be all over them like a bad rash. But they didn’t feed into the bias and prejudice and actually worked against the trending agenda, so not only were they not touched, they were downplayed and discouraged. In some cases, silenced with scorn and worse.
Imagine the outcry if an eight-year-old girl was molested and sexually assaulted by a 16 year old boy who was babysitting her: and the prosecutors response was to charge the girl with a sexual crime, “because she didn’t resist, and even enjoyed it”.
But the same thing happened to a boy in Utah, at the hands of the 16 year old girl babysitting him. And the quote above was actually given as reason why charges were pressed against the 8 year old boy.
The outrage here is not just that it happened. It’s that some femininistic buffoon actually conceived that the young boy could be guilty of some sexual crime against a girl twice his age, and followed through on laying charges.
And that the feministic status quo nodded in approval and did nothing about it. “Well, you know what boys are like!”
The charges were dropped eventually. But in what kind of a sexist social agenda would this even happen?
I also have first hand accounts of how feminist thinking has poisoned the social experiment to the active and in-recalcitrant victimizing of boys.
I know a family whose son still has a permanent reprimand on his school record for reporting a young girl who hit him for no reason other than to prove “girls can hit boys but boys can’t hit girls”. He and his friends who testified against the girl were castigated on the most blatantly sexist of grounds; and his assaulter was coddled and praised.
These stories are out there. A lot of them are duly corroborated. And a lot of them have been quashed, downplayed, sidestepped, those not dropping them even threatened because they don’t line up with the sexual bias and prejudice that is trending right now.
Bad movements can still accomplish good things. Consider the hyperbole of the Nazis. They are credited with some good accomplishments. But we come back to the cost to benefit ratio I originally mentioned.
We need a movement of true unbiased equality to take over from one that manifests as corrupt and blind to its own crimes and hypocrisies in an increasing number of cases.
@griz Ah. I see. So you’re talking about public schools, where women rule…
Well, it’s like I said. Schools in the US are women’s kingdoms, because most school teachers are women. So just like in schools where most teachers are male, and female students get raped or belittled and no one does anything until a woman comes along, if you work in the school system, so must you as a man stand up for boys and remind everyone that little boys are fragile too, that they also like to know that they are inherently good and not evil. And most of all, that boys are humans too, and not “others”. Because these bad habits and mentalities sink in when there are fewer male teachers, because teaching is a “woman’s” job (which, as I said before, is an ironically anti-feminist thing to think).
I don’t think you could be labeled as “anti-feminist” if what you do is simply calling out injustices perpetrated against men and boys. Humanitarian, maybe. But since you pointed out that calling someone or some movement “feminist” or “anti-feminist” draws battle lines, then maybe forget the term and focus on school boys’ human rights.
Meantime, I think I will continue to work against sexual harassment in colleges…
@georockstar09
I do find myself more interested in addressing the core problem than in just managing symptoms.
What happens to boys in schools, in homes with out-spoken feminist mothers (and in the Utah courts just to cite three ready examples), is just a symptom of a bigger problem gripping our society.
Let’s not forget that this also ties into increased aggression against women as young males tire of always being painted as the consummate evil by women, and lash out at their persecutors in a manner in keeping with their greater physical strength and sexual desires.
Remember that the young lad who hears his mother lash out at men with her friends in the other room, grows up burdened with the constant fear of becoming something that Mommy loathes.
He could listen to me finish what I am saying. I plan to refinish an antique table and 3 chairs. ——— All I said was, “I’m going to get some strippers …. ”
Immortal Pirate’s eyes lit up. I don’t think he even heard the rest of what I said about going to Home Depot, the wood stain, sandpaper, and Polyurethane. He was already shaking his head, yes. I think I heard him say something about putting up a pole, but I was on my way out the door to go to Home Depot.
21 responses to “what could the opposite sex do to make your life easier?”
My partner already does make my life easier. It is like we work as a tag team. I cooked dinner and after we ate, I fell asleep in my recliner. Immortal Pirate took my empty plate from my hands as I slept. He put the leftover dinner in refrigerator containers and rinsed the pan and dishes. When I awoke, I washed dishes. We make a good team.
They can stop being so pretty.
It is very hard for me to not compliment a pretty woman. I have to fight that. You never know when an honest, genuine, not for personal gain, compliment will be misconstrued as a flirt designed to test for more.
@spitfire3dc I agree that we are an aesthetically pleasing bunch. In any case, I was recently asked if there was a way for a man to ask for sex from a woman without being offensive. I said that it was mostly about vibes, and being able to correctly communicate or read signals.
I don’t personally get offended at complIments, but I believe I can understand how some women do, after being born with the body parts of a stigma
@Scarlett If you have to ask, the protocol to arrive at consensual activation has been not properly executed.
Although now, it would be OK for a woman to ask. That will change. Harassment is easily proven against men when this happens. It’s only a matter of time when the pendulum stabilizes at the centre.
In the olden days (my youth) it was ok to test the waters with, “Wanna come back to my place?” which was a euphemism for an invitation to have sex. Another one was, “Wanna have breakfast afterwards?” Nothing threatening. Just offierng up choices that could easily…as they usually were…rejected.
@spitfire3dc
Do you truly think the pendulum is going to stabilize at the centre?
Our race has never managed this. It’s like we’re afraid time will come to an end if it does!
@spitfire3dc How ironic… I was just about to say, “They could stop cat-calling on the streets”. When I complained about that once, one person told me to just suck it up and learn to take a compliment. Yeah… I don’t think a bark is a compliment. Also, the cat-callers sometimes get angry at me when I blatantly ignore their “compliments” – to add insult to injury.
Thing is, there are gorgeous guys out there. But women, or at least I, don’t feel the need to say, “whoa, you’re gorgeous.” Because that would be weird. They are the way they are and it has nothing to do with me.
Also, think about it this way: you usually only give compliments to people you deem inferior. E.g. you never exactly compliment your boss.
To stop over-using the “victimhood” card for anything and everything!
To abolish feminism. Equality is fine, provided it is equal both coming and going. But sexist agendas that try to solve the world’s problems by addressing just the needs, concerns and feelings of 1/2 the population just suck.
@griz I don’t think most feminists are interested in that. Maybe a sub-population of young adult females who don’t yet fully understand how the world works, but real feminists aren’t about pushing men out of the way so that women have all the good stuff.
Feminism is very much needed. On the one hand, there aren’t enough women in the sciences (and this has absolutely nothing to do with women’s biology; a brain is a brain, not gonads, not gender role). But they are discouraged often-times. And when they do get into it, they get far less recognition. It’s only been a recent push that, say, the real mapper of the ocean floor has been enabled to be given one of the highest scientific recognitions, and not her male colleague/professor. It’s getting better, but there are still some tweaks needed here and there. But at least now, most men in the sciences are on board with all this and equally concerned, and many are also now feminists.
Most importantly, though, we need feminism because men keep harassing women in the workspace (at least, in Geology, 80% victims are female). So long as that happens, feminists will continue to stick around and fight back. Because rape is worse than some guys feeling uncomfortable about women demanding their rights as human beings.
Then again, maybe what you think of “feminism” is different from my own definition. It’s all about perception.
@georockstar09
It’s less about “pushing the men aside” as not exercising even basic consideration for them (or increasingly, the boys).
Yes, women are under-represented in the sciences: but they are even more grossly under-represented in society’s dangerous, drudging, disgusting and dirty jobs as well. Why do we hear zero outcry here, while entertaining copious outcry about under-representation in the top-paying 3% of jobs? Something doesn’t track: provided “equality” is truly the issue.
Equality is needed; not more sexism. Unless as you might inadvertently be pointing out, equality is not really the issue with feminism. It’s less about brainpower and ability as preference, what people are drawn to, and how they apply their strengths. And the sexes experience different draws to different jobs, and go about them in very different ways.
Which then ties back to my first point of society’s “dreg” jobs, almost totally being done by men: and not always because they like them or are “drawn” to them: they are just not considered fit or desirable jobs for women.
So is this about equality? Or about something else, like advantage?
It is not right to castigate all women for the sins of a few who gold-dig, conspire to break up marriages, use men (or boys) as sexual objects, or ply their own special brand of psychological/emotional abuse upon the opposite sex.
But we live increasingly in a time when it is considered “right” to castigate all men for the sins of the few (and increasingly the boys who have no idea what the battle of the sexes is about, or that it’s now fought with the emotional equivalency of thermonuclear bombs and biological weapons)
So is this taking away the ladies’ “power card”?
Or just saying that on an equal playing field, nobody should have such power cards over the other?
@griz
(Hmm. This got kinda long. I hope it doesn’t come off as too much of a rant or anything)
I have heard the “dirty, dangerous jobs” argument for anti-feminism quite a lot. The problem is, I have been both a janitor (dirty) and a night guard (dangerous). I CHOSE to do those jobs. I loved being a janitor. The difference is, if I try to apply to a high level job, I am less likely to get it as a woman than as a man. But men are very very free to not apply for the disgusting and dangerous jobs. So the fact that women TRY to get and are BARRED from certain opportunities, has nothing to do with the fact that it’s mostly men who CHOOSE to do the disgusting/dangerous jobs.
Like I said, a lot of MEN are feminists. Examples: Trevor Noah, on the Daily Show. Or Jon Stewart. Or my Dad. Or a lot of my male friends. Feminists aren’t about bashing men. Feminists are about resolving the problem that when an employer sees the applicant’s name, and notices it’s a woman’s name – or a black person’s or Latino’s name, this is a problem too – they are less likely to call for an interview than if the name is Robert Smith – even if the applications are identical. (There have been several experiments on this)
And feminism is needed to resolve the issue where male preschool teachers are stigmatized. After all, feminism is about equality. And I’ve had a male friend who quit his job because he couldn’t take it anymore, even though he loved working with kids. That’s not just. And feminism is required for that issue. If men were less portrayed as needing to be super-masculine, that is, we could tone that masculinity down a notch, it would benefit both men AND women, and it wouldn’t be so weird for a muscular guy to comb his daughter’s hair.
So to recap – Feminism is about equality of RIGHTS and OPPORTUNITIES for BOTH sexes, and about eliminating prejudices (i.e. sexism) on BOTH sides (men against women, women against men, men against men etc.).
@georockstar09
Everything in life has a cost to benefit ratio. It is both regrettable and alarming that one cannot point out that costs are rising and benefits decreasing without having the “black spot” of anti-feminist pronounced upon them.
Nor can one raise concerns that the hypocrisy level is rising in feminism; or that “equality” has become a very biased and prejudicial thing. Or that stats are routinely farmed and confabulated as a matter of course for emotionally sensational news stories while contradictory data is quashed and its authors personally attacked.
Or that an increasing number of young boys exposed to school approved feminist curriculums are less likely than girls to go on to post-secondary education; and leave feeling they are somehow to blame for all of the woes of humanity unless they “feminize”.
These are all cautions that the cost to benefit ratio is trending the wrong way.
Now add to this how followers have been groomed to either summarily dismissed or viciously attack anyone who might dare commit heresy against preached Party Doctrine.
And you may start to see why I am concerned.
@griz Whether “anti-feminist” is a black spot or not is entirely up to you. It isn’t to me. I have come across many anti-feminists on the interwebs. Some had valid concerns. I, for one, agree with a lot of them that men should have equal opportunity to custody of their kids.
You are free to raise your concerns, but someone like me might attempt to debunk a lot of them. But again, you and I seem to have very different ideas about what the term “feminism” means. I had stated that the feminism I know is something that eliminates prejudice, you state that feminism is marred in prejudice. Which one is it?
So maybe let’s get down to basics: What do you mean by “feminism”? And since you brought it up, what do you mean by “School approved feminist curricula”?
Until you get back to this – Happy Thanksgiving!
@georockstar09
And Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
I just wanted to say that I appreciate someone I can simply disagree with, and present viewpoints that may not be “trending” right now!
Did you participate in the thread on whether a lie was still a lie if you didn’t believe it? I responded that the trespass was in the intent.
I would invite you to examine the intent in calling someone an anti-feminist. It draws battle lines, and degrades it from a simple differing viewpoint, to shades of “enemy”. In that most certainly is not my intent.
Feminism is defined by those who participate in the battle, in the protest. This produces the fruit of feminism, that is then there for all to take note of. I am not trying to classify it as something. I simply look at what it classifies itself as with its actions and consequences; costs and benefits.
And while it’s not fair to harvest isolated cases, there comes a point when enough isolated cases start to show a theme or trend. We are at that point with feminism; where it is starting to reveal that it’s party line of equality is more doctrine of fluid convenience, favoring one gender over the other. Which is what the original women’s movements arose to address; and rightfully so.
As for the school approved curriculum, Google topics like “the war on boys”, and “is my school biased against boys”.
These things are out there; and growing in prevalence. But they run contrary to “Party Doctrine”: and anyone of professional standing (ie teachers media outlets, businesses) who tried to bring them to light are very brutally and effectively castigated. (Ie, Christina Hoff Sommers)
This is not about what I think feminism is. It’s about an unbiased assessment of increasingly disturbing costs and benefits.
So I ask you: where is the threat is feminism bows out and equality becomes the new social movement? An equality that does not look at everything through the lens of just one gender’s feelings and concerns.
@griz OK so I guess you are saying feminism was important in the past, but the balance has basically tipped in some portions of society, especially schools. Whereas my view of feminism is to achieve equality and nothing more.
I guess, then, that maybe we need a new term for what I mean as “feminism” – the thing that works on little tweaks as well as a few major tweaks here and there to eliminate employment bias (which is getting better), sexual harassment (it’s all over the news these days… I’m kinda wondering if they’re trying to detract our attention from something else at this point), objectification, or belittling women’s input in discussions. Things that work to eliminate prejudicial behaviors in men in order to achieve equality for women – but nothing more. Not preferential behavior or anything like that. If there’s a term for that, even if it’s as long as “equal rights between men and women”, I’ll go with that.
And some personal experiences have shown that I think we still have a long way’s to go and we still need, uh… advocates for equality of rights between men and women.
By the way, I watched the video on school discrimination against boys. I don’t disagree, that’s obviously not an achievement of equality between the sexes. But that’s probably a by-product of the fact that women are more likely “expected to be teachers” as a career (which is not very much in accordance with the feminist movement) so there are more women teachers and they set the system up according to female nature.
@georockstar09
The women’s rights movement was in the past. It was essential and did good work. But it was not feminism. That is something new; based more on maintaining power and control then on equality. There are certainly still social issues to be addressed. But they need to be addressed by a movement of true equality.
I have worked a lot closer with far more teachers and school kids than most people here. I have seen what feminism says it is; I’ve heard what people think it is; and I’ve also seen what it really is — what it accepts, manifest as, does and doesn’t do, endorses and condemns. I’ve seen how it treats young boys in it’s care. (Included in this are feminist mothers who rage against men within earshot of their sons. I’ve heard their first-hand stories that they don’t dare to share with anyone else).
Feminism’s interest in equality and social justice starts and ends with women. Inequalities and injustices are rarely even touched if the victims are male: and certainly not if a woman is the victimizer.
I’ve seen just too many cases where if the genders of the victim and victimizer were switched, feminism would be all over them like a bad rash. But they didn’t feed into the bias and prejudice and actually worked against the trending agenda, so not only were they not touched, they were downplayed and discouraged. In some cases, silenced with scorn and worse.
Imagine the outcry if an eight-year-old girl was molested and sexually assaulted by a 16 year old boy who was babysitting her: and the prosecutors response was to charge the girl with a sexual crime, “because she didn’t resist, and even enjoyed it”.
But the same thing happened to a boy in Utah, at the hands of the 16 year old girl babysitting him. And the quote above was actually given as reason why charges were pressed against the 8 year old boy.
The outrage here is not just that it happened. It’s that some femininistic buffoon actually conceived that the young boy could be guilty of some sexual crime against a girl twice his age, and followed through on laying charges.
And that the feministic status quo nodded in approval and did nothing about it. “Well, you know what boys are like!”
The charges were dropped eventually. But in what kind of a sexist social agenda would this even happen?
I also have first hand accounts of how feminist thinking has poisoned the social experiment to the active and in-recalcitrant victimizing of boys.
I know a family whose son still has a permanent reprimand on his school record for reporting a young girl who hit him for no reason other than to prove “girls can hit boys but boys can’t hit girls”. He and his friends who testified against the girl were castigated on the most blatantly sexist of grounds; and his assaulter was coddled and praised.
These stories are out there. A lot of them are duly corroborated. And a lot of them have been quashed, downplayed, sidestepped, those not dropping them even threatened because they don’t line up with the sexual bias and prejudice that is trending right now.
Bad movements can still accomplish good things. Consider the hyperbole of the Nazis. They are credited with some good accomplishments. But we come back to the cost to benefit ratio I originally mentioned.
We need a movement of true unbiased equality to take over from one that manifests as corrupt and blind to its own crimes and hypocrisies in an increasing number of cases.
@griz Ah. I see. So you’re talking about public schools, where women rule…
Well, it’s like I said. Schools in the US are women’s kingdoms, because most school teachers are women. So just like in schools where most teachers are male, and female students get raped or belittled and no one does anything until a woman comes along, if you work in the school system, so must you as a man stand up for boys and remind everyone that little boys are fragile too, that they also like to know that they are inherently good and not evil. And most of all, that boys are humans too, and not “others”. Because these bad habits and mentalities sink in when there are fewer male teachers, because teaching is a “woman’s” job (which, as I said before, is an ironically anti-feminist thing to think).
I don’t think you could be labeled as “anti-feminist” if what you do is simply calling out injustices perpetrated against men and boys. Humanitarian, maybe. But since you pointed out that calling someone or some movement “feminist” or “anti-feminist” draws battle lines, then maybe forget the term and focus on school boys’ human rights.
Meantime, I think I will continue to work against sexual harassment in colleges…
@georockstar09
I do find myself more interested in addressing the core problem than in just managing symptoms.
What happens to boys in schools, in homes with out-spoken feminist mothers (and in the Utah courts just to cite three ready examples), is just a symptom of a bigger problem gripping our society.
Let’s not forget that this also ties into increased aggression against women as young males tire of always being painted as the consummate evil by women, and lash out at their persecutors in a manner in keeping with their greater physical strength and sexual desires.
Remember that the young lad who hears his mother lash out at men with her friends in the other room, grows up burdened with the constant fear of becoming something that Mommy loathes.
He could listen to me finish what I am saying. I plan to refinish an antique table and 3 chairs. ——— All I said was, “I’m going to get some strippers …. ”
Immortal Pirate’s eyes lit up. I don’t think he even heard the rest of what I said about going to Home Depot, the wood stain, sandpaper, and Polyurethane. He was already shaking his head, yes. I think I heard him say something about putting up a pole, but I was on my way out the door to go to Home Depot.
@ladybarbara Funniest thing I read in a while.
I can’t say I’ve ever been all that inconvenienced by women in a general sense. On the other hand, if we look at men making women’s lives harder…
@GothUnkle glad to hear it. I feel like I’ve made life easier for the men in my life through the years