You’re trying to start something new, get on your feet again, start a different job, etc… and people outright say “You’ll fail.” “Don’t do this; it’s a mistake.” “You can’t succeed.” “Don’t even bother trying.”
I would ignore them. I would look at my chances of succeeding and see if there is any merit in their low opinion of me. If I don’t see that they know what they are talking about, I shut them out. I ignore them. I go about getting that job, or doing what they said can’t be done. If I fail, I am not too proud to say, “Oh well, you told me so.” However, if I succeed then my success will speak volumes in itself. I won’t need to gloat. I will just be all that I can be at what people doubted that I could do.
@Fletch there are things I KNOW that I simply am not good at. It’s called past experience. While Technically I don’t do that type of self talk, i simply almost never succeeded in things i failed in the past.
Take the credit you’re giving others, and give some of it to yourself.
For those who exercise spiritual assets, measure the spirit in which they are offering their input. Sometimes other can see rather clearly on points we may have blinded ourselves to.
@griz not quite. If you found yourself completely at odds with its message, its ideas of control, sin, evil, etc… you would be able to see that it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be and part ways with it too.
@griz yet the reason why is that this life you speak of created death as a punishment, blinded everyone to this spiritual realm… for if it were not so everyone could see into the spiritual realm and live forever here. But we’re only talking mythologies. No other culture in the world considers their religion’s creation myths to be anything but (it’s just people like the ancient alien theorists who try to change the religion’s understanding into something it’s not.)
@Jear77
As I’ve said: if my life persists beyond the demise of this physical form, it will be pure bonus (ie, “I will be in heaven”! )
My “proof” of being on a good path — a path unto life and life more abundantly — happens daily.
You’re still trying to use “no-proven-pie-in-the-sky” as your catch-all excuse . . . and totally overlooking (disavowing, sabotaging) any process that could give you joy and peace in this moment. What peace and joy do you have in this moment?
You found “the god” you were looking for.
Yourself and your own understanding. And now run around testifying to how miserable he is.
(BTW, ALL spiritual texts work this way. They magnify whatever spirit one approaches them in. It’s an “invite” to learn to examine and control oneself before advancing to the next level. Those who deny this to themselves, deny themselves further advancement. Any “punishment” . . . is entirely self-inflicted)
@griz not so! We return to the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man offered EVERYTHING for a way to help others escape the punishment of hell. And the answer was no. If that is the god you serve, i want nothing to do with it!
@Jear77
You miss the obvious lesson that riches and possessions (mammon) cannot buy you or substitute for effective spiritual exercise and process. They actually retard it, causing one to think they can spend their way out of any situation.
And back to causality. Every living person has a chance an opportunity and a choice. All of the pieces of the puzzle are there. (Abraham saying that they had the prophets and the word to heed; but they were actively choosing not to.)
They were stuck in their own logic Loop like you: and even if a person should return from the dead (Jesus did), they would find “logic” and defenestrations so they could dismiss it to follow god-of-their-own-understanding.
Face the fact of yourself Jear. There has already been someone who has returned from the dead; and you rejected even as the foolish man’s foolish family would have.
Even if dozens did, you would find reasons to reject them because it would not serve where you want to be.
@griz he was WILLING to remain in hell, HAPPY to do so even, for the mere opportunity to warn others away. And even l THAT was rejected. THAT is why I MUST reject god!
@Jear77
Your rejection is based in fallacy. There was no “noble sacrifice” here. Both his requests of Abraham across the void were self-serving — hoping to service his feelings and bring meaning to his suffering.
But there was no meaning to be wrought. Causality from his exercised freedom and choice had reached a point where this was no longer possible.
Carping that “It’s not fair” becomes distractionary substitute . . . for us making better choices now before causality “takes us”!
And there’s still wisdom in Abraham’s assertion that those who are so owned by servicing their feelings in the moment, will accept no wise caution: whether it comes from writings, prophets, or someone returning from the dead.
(Which brings us back to the reality that Christ DID return from the dead to bring us caution: but like the rich man’s foolish family, we pay no attention to it so we can get on with servicing our feelings in this moment.)
@griz but there are other issues at hand. Judas, the man who supposedly brought the plan to fruition is vilified, when he should be the hero of the Christian message! The man who had direct access and allowed Jesus to be taken to be crucified is seen as a villain. This makes no sense!
@Jear77
Not by Jesus.
He knew EXACTLY what Judas was up to, and didn’t reject him. He didn’t even confront him for stealing from the community purse. Judas heard the same message and teaching as the rest of them . . . and was granted the freedom to do with it as he wished; to serve the Lord and Master he wished.
@Jear77
The same could be said of all fools who persist in seeking their own selfish processes even after having the Word of Life right under their nose.
I really hope you are not identifying!
The sin lies in the choices a person makes; not in the observance that it is sinful. Which is very obviously in the category of learning from mistakes.
@griz there is no such thing as sin, only choices – in the categories of legal, ethical, moral that are beneficial or not in the long run. Even your concept of sin is, ultimately, a thing of retrospect. Your actions hurt you or someone else. But doing tbe RIGHT things hurts you or others at times to the point of completely ruining lives – either one’s own or those around them, so it’s a no win situation.
@Jear77
Choice that honors or leads to ultimate (spiritual) death, is sin.
The only reason to reject this is if death is already Lord and Master: and one so weak it can be defeated by a word. (The Word?)
Retrospect is only one of the ways of learning of sin and it’s consequences: the least enlightened and most painful one. We are given ample caution of things to avoid — provided (ego) athority issues don’t cause us to reject instruction.
You keep talking about “completely ruining lives”. This is each person’s choice: highlighted by the fact that so many have endured so much and still triumphed; and so many have endured so little yet failed.
(And then hunted for any and all reasons Beyond themselves to blame!)
@griz no. Go to an earthly judge and argue that the person in front of them for whatever crime(s) they’re charged with is not a criminal, but only a sinner in need of salvation. What do you think would happen to you?
@griz but when dealing with the authorities, if enough people get together, the laws can be changed. Not so withthis Life, who only wants obedience. In essence, Life doesn’t want a relationship, it only wants dogs.
i listen and try not to let it bring me down. that part is hard. at my best i weigh all that vs what i want to do. i try to be realistic and responsible with a side of dream. usually i like to make informed decisions but negative input like that turns me off the input more than the task. i like to do what i am going to, i just might be a bit sadder without encouragement.
try! dont not try!
Remember what they say if not just to see what you mighta missed(Dr.Doom ReedRichards Dorm), & if you can’t learn anything from it, you can later use it to fuel your thirst for world domination with bitter dark grudges that eat at you from inside out.
…with World Domination Comes World Management!
VOTE EYEGOUGE for EETERNAAL INFINITE RULER RIGHT NOW
post script, the super best vengeance upon them is a life lived in such extravagance that they question their own worth , but always listen to the opposition.
42 responses to “What do you do with naysayers?”
I would ignore them. I would look at my chances of succeeding and see if there is any merit in their low opinion of me. If I don’t see that they know what they are talking about, I shut them out. I ignore them. I go about getting that job, or doing what they said can’t be done. If I fail, I am not too proud to say, “Oh well, you told me so.” However, if I succeed then my success will speak volumes in itself. I won’t need to gloat. I will just be all that I can be at what people doubted that I could do.
To be perfectly honest, I don’t think people will say these things to your face and mean it.
If so, fuck them.
@Fletch my parents do. GOOD friends do too.
@Jear77 really? they say those things and mean them?
if that was me, fuck them too.
negativity has no place in my life.
@Fletch EVEN if it’s true? Or would you rather your loved ones lie to your face?
@jear77
so you’re telling me you tell yourself: “I’ll fail.” “Don’t do this; it’s a mistake.” “I can’t succeed.” “Don’t even bother trying.”?
@Fletch there are things I KNOW that I simply am not good at. It’s called past experience. While Technically I don’t do that type of self talk, i simply almost never succeeded in things i failed in the past.
@Jear77
“…i simply almost never succeeded in things i failed in the past.”
so future attempts at success are futile, I suppose.
If we all thought this …………….
@Fletch the definition of insanity… ? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
@Jear77 so why try at all?
@Fletch do, but *differently*!!!
Take the credit you’re giving others, and give some of it to yourself.
For those who exercise spiritual assets, measure the spirit in which they are offering their input. Sometimes other can see rather clearly on points we may have blinded ourselves to.
@griz I kinda get what you’re saying… but need more information to connect the dots
@Jear77
I’ve tried to show you how to build a rod and net!
@griz ah the other conversation. I guess I’ll put the pieces together myself.
@Jear77
I cannot have an experience or relationship for you; or download the wisdom to you that has been the direct result of my own spiritual path.
But I can bear witness to its existence; and testify to where I found it.
@griz your wisdom is useless to me at this point regarding that. Once again, we’re at an impasse.
@Jear77
But the wisdom of Life is applicable to all, regardless of what point they find themselves at.
@griz not quite. If you found yourself completely at odds with its message, its ideas of control, sin, evil, etc… you would be able to see that it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be and part ways with it too.
@Jear77
If one finds themselves completely at odds with the Wisdom of Life, they are totally owned by the knowledge of death.
We have already talked about how all of your knowledge comes from religion; which is owned by Death.
This is what you repeatedly bear witness to. So in the presence of freedom, one can remain a death worshipper if they really wish to.
But you are set aside for something far better should you wish it.
@griz yet the reason why is that this life you speak of created death as a punishment, blinded everyone to this spiritual realm… for if it were not so everyone could see into the spiritual realm and live forever here. But we’re only talking mythologies. No other culture in the world considers their religion’s creation myths to be anything but (it’s just people like the ancient alien theorists who try to change the religion’s understanding into something it’s not.)
@Jear77
You keep getting hung up on something that is easily avoided.
But the “mythology of what may yet come” is secondary to the real life benefits available now.
@griz really? Show me a single solitary person who has been around since… I don’t know… before Christ’s time. EPIC FAIL!
@Jear77
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As I’ve said: if my life persists beyond the demise of this physical form, it will be pure bonus (ie, “I will be in heaven”!
My “proof” of being on a good path — a path unto life and life more abundantly — happens daily.
You’re still trying to use “no-proven-pie-in-the-sky” as your catch-all excuse . . . and totally overlooking (disavowing, sabotaging) any process that could give you joy and peace in this moment. What peace and joy do you have in this moment?
You found “the god” you were looking for.
Yourself and your own understanding. And now run around testifying to how miserable he is.
(BTW, ALL spiritual texts work this way. They magnify whatever spirit one approaches them in. It’s an “invite” to learn to examine and control oneself before advancing to the next level. Those who deny this to themselves, deny themselves further advancement. Any “punishment” . . . is entirely self-inflicted)
@griz not so! We return to the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man offered EVERYTHING for a way to help others escape the punishment of hell. And the answer was no. If that is the god you serve, i want nothing to do with it!
@Jear77
You miss the obvious lesson that riches and possessions (mammon) cannot buy you or substitute for effective spiritual exercise and process. They actually retard it, causing one to think they can spend their way out of any situation.
And back to causality. Every living person has a chance an opportunity and a choice. All of the pieces of the puzzle are there. (Abraham saying that they had the prophets and the word to heed; but they were actively choosing not to.)
They were stuck in their own logic Loop like you: and even if a person should return from the dead (Jesus did), they would find “logic” and defenestrations so they could dismiss it to follow god-of-their-own-understanding.
Face the fact of yourself Jear. There has already been someone who has returned from the dead; and you rejected even as the foolish man’s foolish family would have.
Even if dozens did, you would find reasons to reject them because it would not serve where you want to be.
@griz he was WILLING to remain in hell, HAPPY to do so even, for the mere opportunity to warn others away. And even l THAT was rejected. THAT is why I MUST reject god!
@Jear77
Your rejection is based in fallacy. There was no “noble sacrifice” here. Both his requests of Abraham across the void were self-serving — hoping to service his feelings and bring meaning to his suffering.
But there was no meaning to be wrought. Causality from his exercised freedom and choice had reached a point where this was no longer possible.
Carping that “It’s not fair” becomes distractionary substitute . . . for us making better choices now before causality “takes us”!
And there’s still wisdom in Abraham’s assertion that those who are so owned by servicing their feelings in the moment, will accept no wise caution: whether it comes from writings, prophets, or someone returning from the dead.
(Which brings us back to the reality that Christ DID return from the dead to bring us caution: but like the rich man’s foolish family, we pay no attention to it so we can get on with servicing our feelings in this moment.)
@griz i have a feeling he didn’t CARE whether or not it worked. The point of the matter is he didn’t get a chance to *try*
@Jear77
I hear you. I keep in mind though, your saying that he “didn’t CARE” [whether those still alive] benefited from it or not.
His “caring” was still for what it had been in life . . . only for himself and his feelings in that moment.
Perhaps he was not allowed to *try* once again . . . the very thing, the very process, that brought him to the wretched place he was now in.
And we don’t need to pity or defend him . . . unless we are with our choices and mindsets . . . headed for exactly the same place.
@griz but there are other issues at hand. Judas, the man who supposedly brought the plan to fruition is vilified, when he should be the hero of the Christian message! The man who had direct access and allowed Jesus to be taken to be crucified is seen as a villain. This makes no sense!
@Jear77
Not by Jesus.
He knew EXACTLY what Judas was up to, and didn’t reject him. He didn’t even confront him for stealing from the community purse. Judas heard the same message and teaching as the rest of them . . . and was granted the freedom to do with it as he wished; to serve the Lord and Master he wished.
Who are you thinking vilified him?
@griz the bible states “it would have been better for the man never to have been born”
@Jear77
The same could be said of all fools who persist in seeking their own selfish processes even after having the Word of Life right under their nose.
I really hope you are not identifying!
The sin lies in the choices a person makes; not in the observance that it is sinful. Which is very obviously in the category of learning from mistakes.
@griz there is no such thing as sin, only choices – in the categories of legal, ethical, moral that are beneficial or not in the long run. Even your concept of sin is, ultimately, a thing of retrospect. Your actions hurt you or someone else. But doing tbe RIGHT things hurts you or others at times to the point of completely ruining lives – either one’s own or those around them, so it’s a no win situation.
@Jear77
Choice that honors or leads to ultimate (spiritual) death, is sin.
The only reason to reject this is if death is already Lord and Master: and one so weak it can be defeated by a word. (The Word?)
Retrospect is only one of the ways of learning of sin and it’s consequences: the least enlightened and most painful one. We are given ample caution of things to avoid — provided (ego) athority issues don’t cause us to reject instruction.
You keep talking about “completely ruining lives”. This is each person’s choice: highlighted by the fact that so many have endured so much and still triumphed; and so many have endured so little yet failed.
(And then hunted for any and all reasons Beyond themselves to blame!)
@griz no. Go to an earthly judge and argue that the person in front of them for whatever crime(s) they’re charged with is not a criminal, but only a sinner in need of salvation. What do you think would happen to you?
@Jear77
Earthly judges don’t deal in sin against Life: only crimes against the legal code of the land.
Which may or may not be godly.
@griz but when dealing with the authorities, if enough people get together, the laws can be changed. Not so withthis Life, who only wants obedience. In essence, Life doesn’t want a relationship, it only wants dogs.
i listen and try not to let it bring me down. that part is hard. at my best i weigh all that vs what i want to do. i try to be realistic and responsible with a side of dream. usually i like to make informed decisions but negative input like that turns me off the input more than the task. i like to do what i am going to, i just might be a bit sadder without encouragement.
try! dont not try!
Remember what they say if not just to see what you mighta missed(Dr.Doom ReedRichards Dorm), & if you can’t learn anything from it, you can later use it to fuel your thirst for world domination with bitter dark grudges that eat at you from inside out.
…with World Domination Comes World Management!
VOTE EYEGOUGE for EETERNAAL INFINITE RULER RIGHT NOW
post script, the super best vengeance upon them is a life lived in such extravagance that they question their own worth , but always listen to the opposition.
@luftballooneyegouge what will we do tonight Brain?
Same thing we do every night Pink y: try to take over the world!