Okay, so, I post this because this has long been a major area for me. If accuracy in information was the same as accuracy with guns, I would be Golgo 13, Nobody from “My Name is Nobody”, or with a sword, “Deadpool” — such as that time in the movie where he casually walks through a room full of guys firing at him full on with machine guns and he slices every single bullet with just his two swords.
Of course, I am joking. Kind of. Last kind of thing someone who takes accuracy of information they believe seriously. But, without writing out a long book about why and how I am accurate, I am left to stating my situation in such colloquial terms.
Of course, this does mean the reality is, even with these fictional characters, they are only so accurate with such specific types of weapons and only in very specific contexts. So, for instance, a fictional super sniper like Golgo 13 can not even remotely be expected to also be so super accurate and capable as a fictional super pistolero/trick shooter/quick draw specialist, as the fictional “Nobody” in the movie “My Name is Nobody”.
Real principle in real life. Richard Dawkins is an expert at evolution, but you can expect him to know jack and shit about the Bible. I have read his books and a retarded child who is suffering also from paranoid schizophrenia could literally better tackle the Bible then he can.
I really like the idea that both Elon Musk and Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson have posited that this reality is most likely a virtual reality. But, I have to concede, though their statements here are touted as authoritative due to their expertise being well known in some very specific areas of science… the reality is that their opinion here is a philosophical one and far from an area they are well studied in or in the least bit accomplished at.
And, never mind that both disdain philosophy. Bizarrely. Which is kind of like admitting you never play tennis, but here is the absolute right opinion about that exact way to play tennis so as to defeat even the world leaders.
Now, before getting into my own share here, I will point out that the worst excuse to not answering this question I have ever heard is a person who claimed they literally believe nothing.
Which is true for coma patients, perhaps, or those suffering from catatonic schizophrenia, but obviously is deeply untrue for any human being who has an operating mind.
Indeed, for instance, if I state “1 plus 2 equals 4”, you probably won’t believe me. You will doubt my statement is true, you will not be convinced by my claim. You will not find me persuasive. You will not have high confidence in me, nor in my claim. You will have extremely low confidence in both me and my claim. Depending, only on context. Obviously, here, the hypothetical context is, I am serious.
Not believing “1 plus 2 equals 4” is certainly able to be said “not believing”. It is doubt. It can be said. But, why is it not believing? Why is it doubt?
Because you believe something absolutely contradictory which is absolutely opposite.
You deeply believe “1 plus 2 equals 3”. You have strong faith that “1 plus 2 equals 3”. You trust your conclusion deeply that “1 plus 2 equals 3”. You are heavily convinced that “1 plus 2 equals 3”. You have very high confidence that “1 plus 2 equals 3”.
Absurd to say, but necessary! Because for some reason, I often have some sorts draw a blank and literally be unaware that all these words are actually synonymous.
So, many times have I really deeply believed something to be true, where I was wrong. What a scary existence I must have!
Mostly, probably because of my life track, and the sheer scale of evidence I deal with in “religion” or “spiritual matters”, these things have almost all been dealing with “religious” or “spiritual” beliefs. For instance, I used to believe very strongly that a certain type of spiritual being could not operate in certain ways. This meant that this sort of person I could not accept if they did not match my effective moral checklist. This ended up being multiple matters, and because of my errors, correction was extremely long and difficult.
Relatively speaking, in areas where I deal with far less extensive evidence, the number of such times I could mention are very many. I have believed relatively deeply in many things and people where I later discovered I was wrong. And due to the deep need I have had – due to circumstances, good teachers, and other good reasons – I certainly reverse engineered and do reverse engineer these situations many times.
One of the more painful areas was in evaluating the motives and backgrounds of an information source in my technical field. Were they working for a malicious government and so their information tainted? While I was quick to consider that as a possibility, even though this meant extremely elaborate ruminations, the mystery of this problem hounded me whatever theory or conclusion I dared tried to test.
An all too common attribute of some folks I have had to deal with. Myself, probably, and certainly, well included.
Lessons learned? Deeply. Today, I pride myself on how very much I know I do not know. I am astonished at the cavalier arrogance many I see have on the few and rare subject areas I do have high degree of accuracy of information. But, on the other hand, being a technical engineer, I so often do work with and find folks who share that deep and fearsome respect for the banner “I do not know”.
© 2026 – SoulSequel
24 responses to “What Have You (Belief/Faith/Trust/Persuasion/Conviction/Confidence) Really Deeply & Were Wrong? Did You Learn?”
All form of relationship requires these things. Whether it is a relationship with a person, the physical laws of reality, or something more spiritual.
And all involve learning-curves, replete with errors, mistakes and yes, even (oh, dare I say it!) hurt and disappointment (actual, but very often just perceived).
And mistakes/errors in this process lead to one of two general responses: learning positively and using it to move ahead; or learning negatively and using it to draw back and isolate in fear amidst seas of justification as to why such is actually some form of “moving ahead”.
Perhaps part of the problem is that we are so easily “wounded”; and so very few people remember how to heal themselves. (Just like our bodies forget how to defend against infection with the over-reliance on antibiotics and sanitizers to do this for us!)
“And mistakes/errors in this process lead to one of two general responses: learning positively and using it to move ahead; or learning negatively and using it to draw back and isolate in fear amidst seas of justification as to why such is actually some form of “moving ahead”.”
I often deal with individuals who can be very powerful negative communicators. Very powerful “indirect” or “implicit” communicators.
You are definitely in that area, though “hypothetically”, do not have the actual capacity to engage in deeply challenging or “negative” communication strategies some of them have done.
As I mostly deal with angels/God (angels are but conduits for God, ultimately, though the voices inside which are God and the “voice” of God’s actions and control of reality which is God’s “body language” of sorts, is noticeably different.
Issue there is relatively quite simple: God and angels are formless.
I have not found human beings typically even giving that Scripture any thought at all, not since the Apostles who highlighted it. It involves and brings about many conclusions not at all obvious.
I deal with ultimately beings without form all day long. If I am not talking to them in the form of Christians with the Spirit of Christ in them, I am dealing with full blown angels, but mostly, I deal with God inwardly and outwardly more directly.
Angels in “personas” or “avatars” of human guise are relatively forced to include the deficiencies common to their “persona”. Likewise it is the very same in spiritual human beings. Main differences are related in considering the likely differences between the two. For instance, if someone wants to, say, remain anonymous online, but also socialize, they might take a persona which is not entirely their real persona. They can have the capability to “break character” or “break cover”. It is not who they really are.
But, for people, their persona is pretty much who they are. And it significantly limits what they can do and say even in Christ. Basically, it is according to their faith. What can they accept. What can they not accept.
Telling someone something they can not believe when you know they can not believe it, for instance, is very rarely the way to persuade someone. You have to go around their “defenses”. And even then, that may be impossible. Because human beings have enormous defenses.
Largely, these defenses are there because of ignorance. They are infants. Angels, on the other hand, for instance, are millenia old, unspeakably old. “Iron Fist”, I just finished up, and had a terrific character named “Gao” who really well captured the extraordinary communication capabilities possible to a human being who is centuries old. While such hypothetical human and spiritual beings are relatively common in cinema (movies and tv), so rarely are they so accurately and well presented.
Which is useful to me, because just before I witnessed this character, I was especially wondering on one of my favorite passages, “those who live not even to a 100 and die will be considered cursed and mere infants”.
Previously, my knowledge in going into significant dealings with angels (unaware I literally already had that experience), was a word that I should bear in mind I can not outsmart celestial beings and should not attempt to do so.
Which helped me keep up more of a thoughtful, studying stance, and a stance which relied even more heavily on the Spirit, as opposed to “thinking out what to say beforehand”. (Perhaps, seemingly ironically, the two do go very well together.)
Anyway, as examples, in your case, your deficiencies largely revolve, of course, around your largely orthodox, mainstream Christian experience. Not at all unlike another very spiritual I often dealt with who had a similar persona. Simply their background of very limited human experiences. Both of you are generally open minded, I think she much moreso, but both are also quite roped down by largely very conventional, “modern” Christian experience. Where “modern” is in quotes, because, in reality there is very little which is “modern” truly about mainstream Christianity of any sort. Most of the severe errors were introduced in the first millennium, though significant new ones were added after that well into the Reformation. Which is a relatively arbitrary stopping point, though from the Roman system came the Orthodox in the 1000 AD period, and finally, the Roman system was finally released the “Protestant” group around the middle of the sixteenth century.
Point being, that sort of person, or in angel case’s, persona, can directly communicate some things according to the form of their being. And can not communicate other things, again, according to the form of their being.
So, they often take many different forms for a much wider spectrum of communication. Hence, I have had angels take forms of Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Satanists even, doctors, nurses, cops, lawyers, and on and on and on.
But the limitations (what I have been calling deficiencies) of their form, mean that they can communicate some things “positively”, and other things, they must communicate negatively. If it is by Spirit, it does not ultimately matter, per se, though it can certainly be, at times, extremely annoying to deal with.
I think the very most annoying, for me, was the gay boss who had a thing for me and was very narrow minded in some ways, and the Satanist best friend from High School.
As for me, I have been subjected to this extensively, for at least the reason, that for whatever reason, God has put a priority on educating me on some very, very unusual matters.
Probably some part of that is my incredible curiosity and imagination. I tend to be extremely curious. So, I tend to ask a lot of questions, and the more you get answers, the more questions you ask and the more answers you get, because confidence builds you will get answers and questions are worth asking.
With even spiritual folks with a strong mainstream Christian background, regardless of how open minded they can be in some areas, there will be strong legalism, there will be strong and improper condemnations, and other such problems. Thankfully, very rarely deal with those who prattle on about paranoid fears, where they see demons and Satan everywhere in effectively magical thinking. (As opposed to attempting to stick to strict reasoning.)
Needless perhaps to say, I have my own set of deficiencies in these ways. I am only 46 years old, though the chance of this being my first life is next to nil. Regardless, only can only remember so much from such activity, just as the unconscious often can only communicate to the conscious so much.
“Needless to say”, because I would not have been so forced to rely on so much communication in so many diverse forms, unless I had plenty of limitations of my own God got around. And I still have many.
Maybe, though, as my main trait is my imagination, that tends to be my biggest deficiencies, as it is pretty easy for me to elaborately consider highly unlikely perspectives and scenarios on the drop of a dime.
Bigger problem is literally my imagination “running wild” and literally creating such things, because of my very significant, though largely unconscious, psychic powers.
(Which means my imagination can not only view secrets about others, without my conscious control, but also create others in the real world, control events, and other such potentially, at times, problematic things.)
So, yes, plenty of times where I do back away from folks out of “fear”. Sometimes fear is really engaged, as there are potential problems in dealing with folks who may, as Gabriel said of himself, “stand before very God night and day”. But, usually it is more of annoyance and a desire for improvement in “quality of life”.
For instance, one individual causes me to have a significant time sink, and waste of my energies. Might he teach me something ultimately from God? Sure. And does. But sometimes the very lesson is to avoid such behaviors and save one’s self a lot of time and trouble.
This is relatively common enough for me. My curiosity can get me frequently into exactly this trouble. For instance, I seek information (a core motive of mine, especially in these realms), but often get strong runarounds. Ending up, learning a little, sure, about what I am seeking practically by sheer force. But normally, really not getting the answers at all.
For instance, that other Christian friend was terribad at this constant “devil’s advocate” turning of EVERYTHING. Again, something I normally am unfortunately very good at. But, she would confirm practically nothing. Still, her powerful, constant “devil’s advocate” stance did mean, ultimately, that I was forced to continually inspect and consider from many angles that which I knew, and that which I did not know.
(Ultimately, today, I simply do not reach out to her much, because the relationship did have junctures of improperness, but moreso, because of her persona, the ultimate limitations possible just ran their course.)
Kind of similar in your case, though you seem more quick on the trigger on throwing out devil’s advocate possibilities in a very indirect manner and then evading explanation for them. This does leaving me, likewise, having forced deep inspections on those areas, but usually they seem to be areas I have already thoroughly covered.
And, I do have a particular button for false accusations, which has not changed across the decades very much, and really try and avoid folks who are quick to throw out crazy bad false accusations. Especially when they show an inability to actually question their own judgment, explain it, or ask questions.
But moreso, with you, I think my conversations are deeply limited, because your persona is unable to reasonably discuss much of the major matters I deal with.
So, I have to look elsewhere for individuals who are more capable of dealing with such topic matters, even if only on an theoretical level. (I do not believe it is possible for me to find someone who has these same experiences, they are specific to me. Right now. Later game, this will obviously change, as it so clearly well fits the details of the statements of Jesus about the end of the age.)
People can be negative teachers and we can choose to take that lesson negatively. But we can also choose to use it positively.
People can be powerful positive teachers, and we can choose to take that negatively.
What the other chooses to do is within their arena of authority and what we choose to do is within our arena of authority.
Actually I was trained by a master in negative psychological and spiritual warfare. Don’t mistake my choosing not to use it, as a lack of capacity for it!
We connect on the idea of conduits.
BTW, a very long response you’ve written. I will get to what I can with the time I have. But I think my main point for now is in my first paragraph.
Consider that “the forms messengers take” may not be a major point in scripture (after Christ prophecy was fulfilled), because we are to focus on the message and not the messengers. And there are no other Messiahs. That would mean God incarnate did not do a sufficient job — and do we really want to go there?
Actually I thought my break with mainstream Christian Orthodoxy was one of my strengths! I’ve seen its folly and explored many many other spiritual paths — more than most people care to: and have chosen to return to the elements of Christianity that are Truth because there are a lot of them there compared with almost every other path I have walked: plus they are generally recognized better than obscure teachings from other cultures. Harkening to a past point these experience as a unit, were in the form of messengers. But the message was paramount so that is what I talk of and not the messengers.
It’s not so much “what we can see” but what we can effectively share for Kingdom Purpose.
“Consider that “the forms messengers take” may not be a major point in scripture (after Christ prophecy was fulfilled), because we are to focus on the message and not the messengers. And there are no other Messiahs. That would mean God incarnate did not do a sufficient job — and do we really want to go there?”
Or, I really am just telling the truth, and you simply can’t believe it.
Join the club.
Sadly, I want to suggest can you even remotely consider “maybe” I am not lying? Whether you tell yourself that lying is because I am deluded, or otherwise insane, or simply unspiritual?
“Actually I was trained by a master in negative psychological and spiritual warfare. Don’t mistake my choosing not to use it, as a lack of capacity for it!”
You seem to be using that gun quite a bit then without even being aware of doing so.
Not surprising.
“We connect on the idea of conduits.”
I think you are someone who has some spirituality. But, also a lot of darkness. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, talking to me will only feed that darkness.
Because I am telling the truth and not lying.
Which means accusing me even in your heart on these matters is not a good place to be.
That turns it all into a very powerful poison.
This was not my intention. I realize that you are blind to this poison coming out of you already.
“BTW, a very long response you’ve written. I will get to what I can with the time I have. But I think my main point for now is in my first paragraph.”
Don’t waste your time. I did block you. Finally. Took me about six years with Jear77, six months with you.
I have learned a lesson.
Valuable one.
Thanks.
Now I should go and thank the asshole racists and sexists who keep blurting out racist and sexist things in the video game I play.
I probably will not bother blocking you again, or I may. Not sure. But, regardless, I am going to keep things much more simple and direct.
This can help me practicing dealing with average people handling the reality of mine being exposed to them.
Sooner or later, I will have to deal with that bucket of nastiness anyway.
Might as well get some practice now.
Maybe I should just play around and really lie? That might help you.
Okay, so all of this is just an elaborate fiction I am telling. I may stick to this false act just to up my quality of life, as otherwise I like posting here.
So, yeah, all of this is just fiction I have been elaborating spinning for you.
Also, Immortal Pirate didn’t know this but I came shortly around the same time he did. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago.
And now, though I live in the city and appear to have a normal job and family and be a normal person. I hide a deep, dark secret.
I really live and work in a vast organization of bona fide real angels from Heaven.
What say you?
I am insane? Unspiritual? Asking you to worship angels? Worshipping angels my own self? That would surprise any of them (except the ones I slept with).
Maybe I am secretly devil possessed.
Perhaps, with effort, some of your vast rightness and spirituality can rub off on my poor, terrible, wicked soul… and you can save me!
Please, Jesus-man, save me!
Share your vast experience and perfection with this lonely, terrible devil.
Free me from this life engulfing delusion that makes paranoid schizophrenics who think they are Napolean from Mars look like reasonable, fact based people.
But, seriously, I do regard the fact that you bother to deign and bend down so very far from your heights of Heaven to try and wake me up from the very vast delusion I am in with great sympathy. It will surely earn you so much glory from God when you finally meet him!
P.S. If you want, I can go ahead and ask him to incarnate and send you a congratulations card for your brave and tireless efforts in correct us poor drunkard, demon possessed, drug using, gluttons who blaspheme God by claiming he is our father!
Just, please, don’t turn me into the authorities and crucify me. Or throw me to the lions? Okay? And we will be good.
(Or maybe more appropriately burn me at the stake as a witch, lol.)
None of us are equipped to judge the various signs dreams visions and wisdom the Holy Spirit dispenses upon others.
But how they choose to use these various dispensations is something we are encouraged to discern (“their fruit”).
Lessons from childhood particularly those that were necessary to our survival tend to be very deeply ingrained. So I can exercise my psychological gifts without being aware of it. But part of spiritual growth is a growing awareness of the fruit that comes forth regularly from us. Namely is the intent to glorify me or Christ? I tried to be very aware of how I’m using what I’ve got. Most responses are reread and contemplated on. ( except when I am really pressed for time and responses grow very long!)
My only comment on our respective spiritual networks or dispensations is that they should never take precedence over “The Message”. Our journey to Truth, should never outshine the Truth.
Consider also that the only things we need to block are those things we feel threatened us. What are your thoughts on this?
“None of us are equipped to judge the various signs dreams visions and wisdom the Holy Spirit dispenses upon others.”
This is patently untrue.
“My only comment on our respective spiritual networks or dispensations is that they should never take precedence over “The Message”. Our journey to Truth, should never outshine the Truth.”
“Consider also that the only things we need to block are those things we feel threatened us. What are your thoughts on this?”
Nothing about my experience or circumstances “outshines” the truth.
These sorts of quasi-meaningful statements are rife themselves with potential problems. This is an intrinsically vague statement, as is the one I just quoted and responded to, above.
Vagueness is fine, in some circumstances, but when matters get down to their nuts and bolts, you have to be able to utilize reasoning which which requires specificity and order.
Is what I am saying is I have an experience which outshines most Christian experiences I have heard about or read about? Of course it does. The greatest explicit experience I have had is seeing one who appeared as a literal man transfigure before my very eyes into “one like a son of man” — the appearance of Jesus himself in glory.
I read the account of the transfiguration in scripture, and I go, “I know what he is talking about, I saw exactly that!” And I can expound on it and give further details.
At the time, I remember going, “So that is what John meant by eyes like flames of fire and face that shines like the sun!” Not exactly the thought, but basically.
Afterwards, all the times I dealt with angels in disguise, that was the cornerstone of my perception. I was seeing the person under the flesh.
But, more to the point, on your likely view that I am saying some things that may appear to be not able to be easily related back to Scripture… the truth is more simply, they can be, but no, it does take some difficulty. As it is with anything, ‘truth is stranger then fiction’, truth is also stranger when you have more of it then little.
For instance, my career has some vaunted elements in it, which are often portrayed in media, fictional or not, very incorrectly. I love to read articles where someone who works some job we all have ideas about says, “here is how it really is”. And you see where you had misunderstandings.
Everybody reads today about the Russian spy hackers, but I have lived and worked in that world, and there is a lot people will “fill in the blanks” on and get very wrong.
As for angels being able to have rather extensive cover, that was extremely difficult for me to accept. But, then, ultimately, God led me through that, on to how I was being hypocritical for not doing so.
For instance, I was refusing to allow an angel to be able to drink beer and play pool. Though, I could drink beer and play pool with a judge or a cop, and not reasonably claim they are less a judge or less a cop for doing so.
The show “24” helped a lot with that, and my own forced experiences in intelligence. I used to be so strict about telling the truth and not trying to have any sort of “image management”, I refused even to consider going further in acting because it was ultimately lying. I did not judge actors and actresses as liars, but I had that weird ethics for awhile.
One great case I ran across in history was where the Catholic Church was considering whether a man’s claim was true about his having conversed with an angel. Well, in one instance, an angel appeared as a girl or woman. And they took that as definite proof, right there, the man was wrong. Because an angel would never be able to appear as a female human being. Male human being, yes.
Because, you know, it says it right there in the Bible! (Nowhere.)
“But part of spiritual growth is a growing awareness of the fruit that comes forth regularly from us. Namely is the intent to glorify me or Christ? I tried to be very aware of how I’m using what I’ve got.”
Again, vagueness and lack of specificity is hurting you here.
Probably some of that is simply because you do not work in security, so are not accustomed to being very aware when you are accusing others… and attempting to be very specific about the accusations.
For instance, if there is some question I have about some potential error in a software product, I have to figure out exactly what that error is, and specifically be able to communicate it to the developer or product manager. Likewise, this is not security only, but, for instance, I went to the dentist today, and they had to really spend a lot of time getting specific information about problems in my teeth.
So, again, I will scattershot response, not entirely sure what you are addressing:
1. As for myself and my “story” vaunting me… I have a few areas I excel at, and very many areas I am terrible at. The former I have more confidence on, but I engage in conversations in both areas. I certainly can speak and write on the former, and enjoy doing so, but I also keep an open mind.
I can pretty well tell anyone I am a “professional hacker”, though my real job title and work is far more arcane. This I can tell people, because this tends to be all people know about the field. In reality, I am an “application security” engineer or specialist, and that is my field. But people do not know what that means, they understand, vaguely, however, what a hacker is.
Almost no one is going to feel I am intimidating them or something special by saying this, as laypeople tend to realize you have to be a nerdy geek to be a hacker. But, for wannabes, who are many, well, then I tell them I am paid, and well paid, to do what they talk and brag about doing… then that really hits at their over inflated ego.
They could get jobs in the field, they could learn how to find their own security bugs… but instead, they are what we call “script kiddies”, and even “noobs”. They are all talk, and while they often can and do “hack”, they just can use security vulnerabilities guys like me found and wrote. Hence, the term “script”, they can just run scripts others like myself wrote.
Instead of spending time and effort really learning to do this, they, instead, spend all their time bragging about their non-existent skills. Largely, they get away with it, too, because there are so few of us who really find these security vulnerabilities, so very rarely anyone who will ever confront them with the authority of one who can.
With my case, I can often have these sorts of problems, though…
When I, say, go to a Christian forum, as long as I pretty well am very cautious about sticking to “Christianese”, believe me, I get a lot of people liking me and even looking up to “me”. I have to be cautious to not say anything that is likely to be beyond what they can handle, or I can break rapport. Quite simple.
I rarely get a bunch of likes or anything like that. Instead, I just start to see people repeating what I say, or being silent after I make some statement.
So, I certainly can sometimes throw in a “this happened to me” here and there, but I certainly can not start painting the whole picture. That is way too unbelievable, and too many parts of it go against their preferences, too hard.
End times eschatology, especially. People tend to be deep set according to their own church on what can and can not happen.
Likewise, I believe in the continuation in the gifts, and if someone does not and their church does not, I can not mention any such gift, anything arising from any of them.
Or, simply because it goes against their dogma, suddenly I am a “bad source”, and a bad source, everything is bad.
How the mind works.
Same thing with your statement about “outshining”. I can walk into a church and lay out all sorts of hidden, profound truths, and they do not even know me. I am new. And here I am saying all of these things they all know are true yet has never occured to them before. And so, I am outshining their leadership and their elders. And that can not be.
That? That is “outshining”, and that causes problems with people personally and professionally.
If you are an advisor hired by a boss and you are showing yourself smarter then your boss, he can start to resent and hate you and view you as a competitive threat. I often play an advisor in my day job role, and bare this well in mind. I have to advise, but I also have to make the manager feel smart, even smarter then me.
Me here, talking to you, that is a very specific context. I may have shown you my resume, but I am never going to really know you. I am never going to make you into my follower or minion. I have no such desire to do so. If I did, I would have followers and minions.
How I operate is as a guy behind the scenes. I like to see people believe what I say, and I like it when I see them saying what I was saying and not even realizing where they got it from. This gives me smiles to myself. And I get it a lot.
I do this as part of my day job. I like doing it. Nobody wants to do security like nobody wants to brush their teeth. I get them to do security so they do not even realize they are doing it! Then, that is pleasure for me.
My typical heavenly days are everyday. What is my day like? I sometimes socialize on some far flung forum — like this one. But, invariably, I am not going to be going over to someone’s house and watch the football game with them.
When I go to conferences and run across old friends, I love for them to treat me with respect, sure. But my esteem there comes from having done and said things back then when they thought I was crazy and wrong. Over time, they realize I was right. And that helps them personally and provides them “gold”. And they come back, smiling their teeth full of gold, and I am happy.
Otherwise, my days are filled with me being crazy happy, watching tv, playing video games, doing stuff by myself, but always conversing with the Lord.
I have a partner, an invisible partner. Watching tv with the Lord. Playing video games with the Lord.
A lot of people I used to work with are very busy, very important people now. I do not envy them. They have all sorts lobbying for their attention, and they have so many tasks to do all the time. Why would that be fun. My idea of great pleasure is moments in the sunshine just looking about at the backyard, and seeing one of my dogs chilling like she was on the helm of a big, crazy yacht.
Finally, my everyday continual role is not as the boss. I am spending all of my time with the Lord. I am not the Lord. I can look at the earth and consider how much more I know and experience, and I do, a lot. It is a fine wine. But, I am at the bottom of the mountain and God at the top.
Further, if I am ahead of the curve now, so what? I have my coin for working the field all day, and I work that others may get their very same coin, though they are coming to work so late. Now, many have my coin, and the past is meaningless.
Watching a show I have liked recently, about wealthy fraudsters who lived high on the hog, I like. It is amusing, because they were having so very much. But, the end, they all end up broken, in prison, with nothing. My very core life experience was having, then not having.
Happiness is the final judge and all that really matters. Many see things otherwise. Fame. Minions. Wealth. Sex. Whatever. Does not matter. They want happiness too, but don’t even get it really from these things, and those things are all soon to be gone. My happiness comes from things which are everlasting. Unlike those things, I can share, to my heart’s content. It does not remove what I have, only gives me more.
““None of us are equipped to judge the various signs dreams visions and wisdom the Holy Spirit dispenses upon others.”
This is patently untrue.”
Please elaborate. Where is there command or even inference that I am suppose to judge your spiritual experiences? Your “fruit”, yes.
Truth will prevail, because that is Truth’s nature. But we can distract, confound and confuse in the short term. Both self and those sent to consider our witness.
Our witness for . . . what? What do we keep returning to? (Message, or messengers?)
“This is an intrinsically vague statement”
Much of what Jesus said was vague to most. But do you remember the lavish praise he put upon Peter when he started connecting the many vague clues Jesus gave him over time?
“Vagueness is fine, in some circumstances, but when matters get down to their nuts and bolts, you have to be able to utilize reasoning which which requires specificity and order.”
I patently CANNOT render righteousness, validity, salvation, wisdom, joy or peace upon you. I cannot reduce them to temporal reasoning, specificity or order. This all HAS to come from the Spirit — with my job and “authority” simply being to bear testimony and witness to. (With the “how I came to this testimony and witness” of incidental value compared to the actual testimony and witness).
“My Story” MAY become part of the witness. Often though, its only a few salient points and not a whole autobiography. That is “too much me, too little Christ”.
I’ve been “gifted”(??) with past that I could extoll upon and “outshine most Christian experience”. But this is not a contest — nor (to me at least) is this an honorable use of what the Spirit has networked and dispensed around me. That is just an ego-game, trying to bring glory to me that rightfully belongs to God.
The “eyes like flames and face that shines” alludes to the same process Moses experienced after being in the Spirit’s presence on Mt Sinai. It also connects with “the tongues of flame” that were said to come and rest upon all those gathered at Pentecost. The “transfiguration” is the flame of the Holy Spirit living in us. It can do everything from render our faces as something people shy away from, to our words being something people shy away from. But is it “”us””, or the Holy Spirit shining through us? Ego managed.
“But, more to the point, on your likely view that I am saying some things that may appear to be not able to be easily related back to Scripture… the truth is more simply, they can be, but no, it does take some difficulty. As it is with anything, ‘truth is stranger then fiction’, truth is also stranger when you have more of it then little.”
I am not unpracticed in discerning concepts the Scriptures remain (here’s that word again!) vague on. These are “coyote teaching” invites for us to crave not just the fish, but the ability to fish.
In a way, others not knowing something about us or mistaking it, is power over them. So how do we wield this power? For our glory, or God’s? Is correcting them on the minutia of US (respecting US) . . . really priority? (On the contrary, we are told people will revile us for things said in the Spirit!) All things fall into their proper place at the proper time in the Spirit. In the flesh, they flail about willy-nilly for attention and power.
But if all the attention and power I need comes from the Spirit . . . what is there left for me to try to “extract” (vampire) from others in games of the flesh??
“Instead of spending time and effort really learning to do this, they, instead, spend all their time bragging about their non-existent skills”
Or about their networks or experiences . . . which will be different for everyone! The ONLY point of connection (and witness), is to the One who is lord over ALL networks and experiences.
My focus is NOT “the cover” (the flesh, what our physical senses “see”); but the Spirit. As you mention the Catholics, consider just HOW MUCH they stumble and go astray on “the cover” (the people, the saints, the artifacts, the virgin, the ritual, the ceremony). And every “gain” for their faith-starved flesh, becomes yet another area of spiritual loss. They were hung up on whether they should give that man’s flesh, spiritual consideration — because that is what their network is built upon. The flesh. And in this paradigm, things of the Spirit are both absent and anathema.
“Again, vagueness and lack of specificity is hurting you here”
“”””I”””” . . . am NOT the focus. Because when you “hear” me, you just hear flesh: games of the flesh that are not there; at least from this side.
“End times eschatology, especially. People tend to be deep set according to their own church on what can and can not happen.”
Or “religion”: what they feel “saves” and “Justifies” them. They are hobbled by their need to see the Spirit . . . only through coverings and reasonings and justifications of flesh. It is all so very selfish.
I relate with your experience of having to be careful of what one says; of revealing more than the Spirit says one can. I’m positive that Jesus exercised considerable feats of this.
And I have to in a way, be careful of what I say to you so you don’t “disappear” again! But I do take the “kid gloves” off with you more often than with most. And the response is a learning curve . . . for both of us.
That is why I really DO enjoy talking with you. (But again, my mobile lifestyle means I can only produce responses like this rarely.)
Consider that with Jesus a big part of “the light that shone” and made his presence attractive to them . . . was in “his words being few” . . . and what He left unsaid, so they would have to learn to listen to the Spirit and not just “the flesh”. (That is why Jesus incarnate would not let people worship worship him as God because they just saw flesh.. )
“Happiness is the final judge and all that really matters. ”
I patently contest this. While happiness is not precluded, where in God’s word is this said to be a gift of the Spirit or something to seek?? Let alone “the final judge”.
The flesh seeks happiness as final judge. Remind me again of the only two (possibly 3) “gifts” the angels proclaimed upon all Mankind at Jesus’ birth?
“Please elaborate. Where is there command or even inference that I am suppose to judge your spiritual experiences? Your “fruit”, yes.
Truth will prevail, because that is Truth’s nature. But we can distract, confound and confuse in the short term. Both self and those sent to consider our witness.
Our witness for . . . what? What do we keep returning to? (Message, or messengers?)”
I think you are over stressing unnecessary matters.
“In a way, others not knowing something about us or mistaking it, is power over them. So how do we wield this power? For our glory, or God’s? Is correcting them on the minutia of US (respecting US) . . . really priority? ”
… like so…
” Both self and those sent to consider our witness.
Our witness for . . . what? What do we keep returning to? (Message, or messengers?)”
And
““”””I”””” . . . am NOT the focus. Because when you “hear” me, you just hear flesh: games of the flesh that are not there; at least from this side.”
And
“Consider that with Jesus a big part of “the light that shone” and made his presence attractive to them . . . was in “his words being few””
Jesus actually taught for three and a half years. It is not said his words are but a few, though I often point out that the words we have recorded from him are but a few on here.
““Happiness is the final judge and all that really matters. ”
I patently contest this. While happiness is not precluded, where in God’s word is this said to be a gift of the Spirit or something to seek?? Let alone “the final judge”.
The flesh seeks happiness as final judge. Remind me again of the only two (possibly 3) “gifts” the angels proclaimed upon all Mankind at Jesus’ birth?”
And here.
In short, you seem hyper focused on applying some rules to everything, to myself, to your self.
Not really sure what those rules are, you have a few, but I could start to kind of dig them out:
1. never say anything which might overfocus or focus on the messenger instead of the message (though I sometimes specifically and explicitly repeat, lol, synopsis of Jesus teachings, if not some in every post… well, nevermind)
2. always be very, very wary of speaking and acting from the flesh, and that can happen anytime, all the time, probably is happening now
3. various statements can break these rules and so prove the entire message is invalid and not spiritual
4. and rules like, ‘if someone says too much or writes too much, it must be of the flesh’
And so on.
I would lax these rules, and stop approaching matters in such a way, but up to you.
I kind of have long hair, again, now, and I know some would be unable to hear anything I say because they think a person can not be saved and have long hair, if they are a guy.
Some are so offended by meat eaters, they can’t hear anything they say. Almost always today this tends to be veggie nazis, but still. They can not consider that maybe some who eat meat are not absolutely wrong and terrible in everything.
Probably if one is in a job interview, they should not answer the interviewer saying they like jobs like they like their women, easy. That could alone make the interviewer throw out everything and anything else.
I smoke cigarettes these days, and know that there are all sorts of different kinds of folks that would be unable to hear anything from me because they think that is so terrible.
One church I went to, liked to condemn legalists, yet they had so many laws it was absurd. This was a “foursquare” offshoot. So, for instance, they spoke of someone who claimed to be a christian but was discovered having a beer at an airport bar. Which was proof that person was damned forever. Conversely, God really hammered in this sort of problem with me, by also sending me to a “church of christ”. They had a bunch of rules, which claiming, devilishly, they had none. Real story. All “church of christs” (the actual denomination, not literal) are this way.
My experience, my training from God, is very, very strong on not judging by appearances.
And, as I have said, and will continue to say, I have had literal angels of God help teach me this in no small part by this whole system of cover identities… where they have appeared as all sorts of folks one would otherwise be inclined to chalk off.
Even someone so open minded and non-judgmental as myself. (Which is true, though, again, orthodoxy hit me in my twenties.)
(I am ashamed to have to admit.)
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I wonder… are you as shaky in your confidence of salvation as your statements above would seem to suggest?
Or… are you merely trying to be critical of me, while also suggesting that, you too, may suffer these same faults? Of being egotistical, or being of the flesh, or of being blinded to God while focused on messengers?
My confidence is forged in the literal fires of hell… I have walked through oceans of doubt, and fires of doubt. I am not sure what to say here. Such things might only make your perceptions of me even more negative.
Not that they effect me.
I do have responsibilities here, as do you, though your responsibilities are meager.
I mean, in contrast to your impression here, while certainly it is true, I will eventually go away, and there are times I feel I should sooner, rather then later…
You do offer me some value with your doubts, though on the otherhand, how is one to take it when a stranger comes by and speaks of such matters as I speak of?
Is it easy to go, “Well, these are a lot more experiences then I have had”? Or, easier to go, “Tsk, if I except these experiences as true, then what does this mean of me in comparison”.
I would, in many ways, prefer to speak with those with the same level of experience, just as in my career, it is near impossible for me to gain much without talking to those who are equals in experience.
Those who are equal in experience can invariably teach me new things I can use. Contrary to how you are imagining it, my mindset here is “other”. I am not taught so much just for my own self, but for aiding others.
No one has the same things nor same experiences to share, entirely. But, it is always nice to have confirmations from those who have had similar experiences. That is an unique bond.
But, I do not look at things this way.
Instead, I look as standing by the doorway to Oz or to Narnia, and wondering if anyone will dare try and go inside.
Where I am, I have the most marvelous of experiences in life, and long for the day when the whole world will know this. Then, all the problems will be solved and the glory of God revealed.
My life is so marvelous exactly because I stand before God and behold his glory.
Do I glorify God? I hope so, but that is not adding to something not there, instead that is revealing merely what has been hidden.
My mission has not yet started, whatever the case.
And, these things said, I do certainly enjoy teaching beginners in my day job field of computer security (though there I am often disheartened, as with it here, it tends to be wasted words)… and I certainly love learning tricks and tips in my favorite computer game, and sharing those with folks who did not know. There, I know, often I do help them.
I do, often, over the years, post to wider audience of Christians, and plan to soon return to that, so this experience with you and others here, certainly helps me further grasp how people perceive matters, and more accurately, what they can and can not accept.
Finally, however you want to spin this, I do not have an obligation to every moment be entirely explicit with spelling out the very word of Christ, anymore then you do this, which you do not. How often do I speak of being non-judgmental, open minded, going the extra mile? How even can anyone hear of what I am saying and not think of God?
That is, this is big news.
I am sitting on the biggest news story in the story of creation. This is what I deal with everyday. God makes my burden light, but spinning that as anything but the biggest story on the planet by many leagues is unfair and not true.
You likely have some sort of experiences, though that you have nothing substantial to say, or really anything at all about this does mean that the most I get is just how secret all of this remains. At best.
What news stories do you read? Do you bother that the news reports on such matters as Trump, or North Korea, on ISIS, on the latest mass shooting? You related a story about having a run in with some police and security. How many other stories, big and small do you run across or tell through your day? How many do you deal with? Surely, there, too, you must always be going, “This is all pure ego, where is the message!”
It is with very painful irony I say any of those stories are “big”. In comparison.
What about travels to Mars and the latest from NASA? What about the latest and greatest technology? Ever had to come close to real injustice, or notice that? What about the fact that there are some where around seven billion people on the planet, and for almost all of them, the clock is ticking? For so many, they walk slowly into death, first decaying, then finding ailment after ailment, finally, death.
I deal every single day with beings who do not die, who change their outward appearance. Their very being is not testimony to the existence of faeries or leprechauns, but to the very message of everlasting life and the truth of Jesus.
I am pretty well schooled in some martial arts and some types of shooting. But, I am nothing in comparison to professional soldiers who are highly trained and part of elite groups that have tested their extensive training under real world combat conditions and lived to tell about it.
In some areas, such as my day job, I can speak of an area where I have both practice and tangible experience, and prove it to others. No miracles require. Lengthy explanations and paper trails, sure. But, in this area, of the spiritual, of the vast things I am speaking of? I have extensive, powerful, trained experience everyday put into practice.
What could I possibly offer you, though? Not much. It is true, if you were able to have a breakthrough and start to consider “maybe this is true”, then doors would open for you. How wonderful it would be for you to walk through this door to Oz, to Narnia, and and start to discover that you, too, can become part of such a vast underground, invisible conspiracy!
To use awkward terms.
I would not expect to follow you down that road, or even to have to know of it.
But I am aware that such mere words, coupled with burgeoning faith, can be a key to a door of vast wonder, even a hidden, new land.
Let’s start with an agreement in the Holy Spirit, about the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the physical incarnation: God With Us. Jesus left so we would become accustomed to relationship with a Spiritual God With Us; the Holy Spirit. And aside from comfort power joy peace fellowship and guidance, the Holy Spirit works through conviction.
Conviction is Holy and helpful. It is of learning and Life. Spirit of death takes what is Holy, and corrupts it into something Unholy: of isolation blindness collusion stagnation and death. Lucifer he is the accuser of the people.
I reassert that it is neither our job nor our authority to judge what the Holy Spirit dispenses to another. Is this a godly assertion? Of course it is. Otherwise we cast ourselves as masters in judges of how God chooses to work in another.
If the holy spirit is at work in us, the response will be according to the attributes I mentioned above: comfort power joy peace fellowship guidance teaching — or conviction of an unholyness in us. ( what else would one expect a Holy Spirit living in us to do?!)
Consider the correlation between responsibility and rules. ( with shades of 2 Tim 2:15). Those already mindful of their responsibilities don’t need rules.
BTW, the two proclamations unto mankind. at Jesus birth, were joy and peace.
All groupings of more than one need guidelines at the very least to keep them from degrading into ego contests. But there is a marked difference between having them and worshipping them: making them the God by which others are tried and convicted.
I think my fault here is treating you as if you were human, when I know you are not.
I think that is unspiritual, gets into games, and ego, and all that. Because I have to literally ignore what I know by the Spirit to be true in order to go in that direction.
Second response, on different area:
“Truth will prevail, because that is Truth’s nature. But we can distract, confound and confuse in the short term. Both self and those sent to consider our witness.
Our witness for . . . what? What do we keep returning to? (Message, or messengers?)”
It is easy to miss the forest for the trees, though I spoke already much on this in my last response.
Truth will prevail and time is on my side. You may be gone before anything is revealed to the world, but even so, you will arrive at “Kingdom Come” just as everyone else does.
Such thoughts, though, while assured for me, quite so, are not matters I typically dwell on, anymore then I worry about staying with specific family members or such in the afterlife. Which will be on earth.
It could be you could live to be a hundred, and never see nor hear from me again, but where I am and what is going on here will remain the same. As it is now, unseen, hidden from the world, despite its’ size, despite how it influences the world.
Regardless of how it may seem, I have no pressure to persuade you of anything, and your thoughts here do not matter.
I suppose I might add pressure here and there, inadvertently, by simply pointing out how absurd it seems to hear of such things and not be very curious, even to attempt to find out all one can.
But, I merely point this out to make you aware of a cognitive dissonance I see in you. And I am curious my own self. How do people approach these matters? Though, it is true, I have been around those who know very much of the heavenly, and still am, though I have found them largely shut books on such matters, so I dare not ask.
It is true, however, what can be said? And what is important for me to know? I get these answers all the time from God.
For me, I can discover my own inaccuracies by dealing with you, just as I can do so by dealing with an atheist, for instance.
I might add here something I do find quite curious: you had no problem recognizing the hand of God in some possibly coincidental computer glitches, and you were right, I can tell. But, then, why do you not speak of other such experiences?
Because you want to stay on message, you might say, or have none? Because you certainly speak of many rules you follow, most of which I do not agree with nor find useful.
You also do speak a lot on many other experiences.
It does seem like you may have some odd rules you have created for your self, or have gotten from some group…
For instance, I like to know what people’s viewpoints are on the continuation of the spiritual gifts, or end times theology.
Just remember that what is hidden from the world is known to the Spirit in ways beyond our comprehension.
None of us is the rogue agent in God’s Kingdom. There is a commander-in-chief orchestrating everything.
” I suppose I might add pressure here or there inadvertently”
You charged me with being unspiritual for not believing in you. If that was inadvertent you have a huge gap in your firewall!
Curiosity about another person’s spiritual dispensation is in the same category as curiosity about the intimate relationship between two spouses. It can only go a short way before it becomes improper.
BTW. I recognize the control drama of ” it would be absurd to not want to dig deeper into the curiosity that is me”. I did my spiritual thesis on it!
We can have a good spiritual discussion and fellowship without it.
I found that curiosity about ministering spirits wanes when the one dispatching them lives in your heart. It’s like a preoccupation with the manifestation rather than with what is causing it. It’s trying to interpret the code that someone “may” be knocking on your door rather than just opening the door to see who is there.
What I am saying about the Message is that there is only one that truly matters. If our detours don’t return there regularly we’ve become lost and Kingdom-ineffectual.
Actually you are the one who laid down numbered rules you “thought” I was following because I was not nibbling on the curiosity-bait you offered
If you are going to fish at least accurately identify what it is you are fishing for!
I do speak of experiences but I don’t make them the focus or entirety of what I offer: which is trying to make me the focus (the control drama I mentioned above). They are just tools of the more important message.
As to your last paragraph: the spiritual gifts continue, and prophecy is ever only clear in hindsight. Imagining we are wise enough to decipher them in foresight wastes a LOT of time.
Again, and what you state pretty well just confirms this, I think I was treating you as a human, when I know you are not. Which, yes, I suppose does waste a lot of time. However, it should be noted that to a degree I have to walk both lines quite a bit of time. Or, maybe not.
Granted, getting confirmations “out there” is pretty useless, anyway.
I am not aware of attempting to interpret prophecy before they happen, but I do see areas where it certainly seems some matters adhere to prophecy after time.
I will state it seems harder to remember what I am told internally, then what people tell me externally, though I seem to have what is told internally repeated as opposed to what is told externally is a memory.
So, I am not really seeing matters adhere to prophecy afterwards even, as though I am Sherlock Holmes, but it is explained internally.
I think we are both children of flesh (Human) and children of God: lost children of God before we are “Spiritually regenerated” back into right fellowship.
I would not wish for you to see me as either uber-Human or in-Human! I’m just a fellow-journeyer.
It takes a while to recognize our “hearing” the Holy Spirit. Remember how Elijah struggled to “hear” God in the cave when God passed as close by as He dared (without inadvertently harming Elijah with His presence)?
The Holy Spirit confirms and re-affirms the messages that are important. What comes internally tends to be blatantly confirmed externally and vice versa. Whereas things that are just our dreams/desires/memories just sort of “sit there”. But our ego can have them seeming like they are the more powerful message, “Therefore they must be of God!”. Yea, the god-of-us!
My comment about prophecy was in hopes that you were not trying to apply Revelations prophecy about “the great battle” where it might not apply. The battle of Good vs Evil has already been fought and won. The only “battle” of concern to us for now, is that which happens in the Human heart.
“I think we are both children of flesh (Human) and children of God: lost children of God before we are “Spiritually regenerated” back into right fellowship.
I would not wish for you to see me as either uber-Human or in-Human! I’m just a fellow-journeyer.”
Good question! Wait, you assumed. I have tried to explain the lack of curiosity there, especially considering how – I claim, anyway, from your perspective, seemingly – to have such an extremely alien life and perspective… is going to mean a lot of very wrong assumptions.
“A little lower then the angels”. Who? Jesus in bodily form. What did Jesus promise? To bring us into the Kingdom of Heaven. How did Jesus describe this? You have to read this implicitly, mostly, but a society not based on praise and condemnation from men, but from angels and transfigured saints.
“Crowned above the angels”. You would interject if I did not. It is critical, but also does not change the teaching: the least is the greatest. Where? The kingdom of heaven. Does the future presentation of the age to come and even of the church that was to come present humans and angels as both being denizens of the very same kingdom? Yes.
And, who, in this model is the greatest? The least.
Certainly, humankind’s traditions here have deeply fouled up the message. For instance, they made the Pope, aka, the new Caeser, to be the servant of all, and so the least and the greatest. Which is, like so many dogmatic traditions, absolutely opposite and deeply absurd and wrong.
Any of us can reason this out: take, say “24” or any other spy or cop show. Is it about the managers, or the field folk, “on the ground”? It is about the field folk, on the ground.
Why? Many reasons. Certainly a major one is scale, and another is risk. Scale of adversity, and the many challenges that come with “risk”.
Unlike Jesus, I am on the ground, and expect to remain so. This is clear from Revelation even for those who become as Jesus. While hard for people to remove their spiritual blinders on, these promises and statements are quite explicit in the book.
Many factors there: while Jesus pointed out ‘we will be as angels’ (in regards to concept like marriage), Revelation very well puts Heaven as coming to earth. As did the old resurrection concepts. In fact, one of the most explicit descriptions of immortality found in the OT (and certainly anywhere, Jesus defined the very concept of immortality for everyone today)… is “those who live not even to 100 will be considered mere infants”.
I mean, I could go on with this.
A friend (yes, an angel in disguise), put it as me being like a very zealous paraplegic on a dock, with many coming off the boat and being impressed with my zeal.
We all know how to factor in limitations and their strengths…
There is much on this, however.
However, in general, I do not regard anyone as being superior to me spiritually. I see spirituality, at the highest level, as being a state of being. Jesus alone is God. We are as gods. Or will be. Jesus stated that. It states, where it stated that in Psalms, Jesus has greater measure of happiness then his siblings. And children. It stated more specifically on the verse, that Jesus stands at the head of the congregation in knowledge and zeal of God.
The ascension, and permamence of that, further, is well illuminated in Revelation. Jesus sat on his father’s throne, and offers believers to sit on his former throne.
If there is any confusion, Jesus says ‘and I will be your God and you will be my servant/son forever’.
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But, no I do not believe your denials.
They are not even heartfelt or specific, anyway. But that is not why. I can get very technical and specific about language, as it is a major focus of mine.
If someone tried to claim I was not really a human being, but an angel in disguise, I could get really specific and heartfelt.
But first consideration on answering this, no, I only view God as a superior being, spiritually. There is clear back and forth I have even with the most powerful of angels I have dealt with.
AGAIN, reminder? Extremely unusual situations I deal with. This is all extremely alien to you. Fictional television is probably the closest anyone else can get (right now), to such experience. Frankly. And they get it wrong, in many deep, core ways.
“The Holy Spirit confirms and re-affirms the messages that are important. What comes internally tends to be blatantly confirmed externally and vice versa. ”
Are you fishing for compliments, as you seem to believe I view angels as some sort of literally superior beings to myself?
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I am good at expressing doubt I do not hold.
Necessary for interaction in this world.
And your statement has some strong truth to it. However, you are missing some major components, likely because you have never dealt with ***extremely impossible*** matters that were first revealed to you by the Spirit.
I mean, you maybe have. Again, playing the hypothetics here.
This is what actors do. It is amazing how the good ones can really get into their roles. This is what little children do. I have no shame in that. This is what undercover operatives do, either between other operatives in cover… or when dealing with a suspect or known foreign intelligence adversary.
We all have hats and uniforms. Many are “spiritual”. I am a dad, a bitch, a liar, a cheat, a… whatever that song is. Forget the lyrics. Not a bitch, actually, but point is, we can all wear all sorts of hats.
Back to point: YES. I have found God confirms what he tells me spiritually. Externally and explicitly.
Always? No. Often? Yes. On everything? No. On very many things, even if these usually chalk up to ‘one thing’? Yes.
Why, why, why… where is the logic.
And, before I express the logic on this, I should note:
I have gone decades without external absolutely persuasive evidence. Specifically, on this very matter, of angels having such extensive “covers” as a capability. With many smaller and larger details related…
Where it took YEARS of **extremely powerful** demonstrated evidence to truly persuade me.
I can certainly get very, very deep into that.
You mentioned, your own self about struggling for many years on relating the Law with the Gospels… though, the intensity of my situation, in everyway, is far, far deeper, bigger, more powerful then that sort of problem.
Not bragging, trying to describe as accurately as possible.
AND, frankly, while this sort of thing the flesh can be offended easily at… reality is… do you see the admission there of error, even significant error, on my own part?
The entire description states that, very implicitly. I readily and honestly admit, it took years and God **REALLY** bringing out the power on these matters. And years of that. And years of resting for understanding.
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Point being, the logic? Quite simple and easy to understand. One gets trained in hearing the Spirit.
All of the above? Training. And one could say, for that. I tend to view it as a byproduct, but it may have been the central reason!
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(God knocked on that, meaning, at least, a soft and affirmative knock, good to consider. True or not? Sometimes it is very good to consider what is ultimately untrue. This is common when we engage in critical thinking. )
“My comment about prophecy was in hopes that you were not trying to apply Revelations prophecy about “the great battle” where it might not apply. The battle of Good vs Evil has already been fought and won. The only “battle” of concern to us for now, is that which happens in the Human heart.”
Again! Good question! Wait. Again, assumptions. No questions asked. Angel or not, best form is, when someone says “I come from another planet and it really is far from here”, get curious, ask a lot of questions!
Though, so many, with so many false claims… but, you are a spiritual guy. Surely you can tell I am somehow a bit different there?
Maybe the whole, “I am not going out and starting a cult, remaining anonymous” can be a tip off there? Or merely, maybe you can tell me all the other folks like me you have run into, in your life?
Do I really sound like a bullshit artist, schizophrenic, or someone who is other then extremely high performance and striving for strong accuracy in communication?
You do get truth is always stranger then fiction, right? You have certainly led an unusual life and are an unusual person, in a good way. I am surprised you can not tell. But, as you seem to say – maybe by not saying – you have not had anything remotely like this in experience.
Though… I can draw personal parallels with my intelligence or cybersecurity work. So, surely, you have had some kind of very unusual experiences, which tend to accompany very unusual folks who show a high level of personal sophistication and competency!
There are some compliments, if this is what you were fishing for. :P
Answer to the question that was not there, though expression of realizing you probably were getting me wrong:
Revelation is great! I think about it many times everyday. It is a pillar of some of my important beliefs and discoveries. Even if in my case, discoveries are given to me by God, just as rich kids are born rich.
But often do not factor that into their equation.
*Revelation wraps around my very flesh*.
A statement I have made rarely, but quite true.
(Isn’t it kind of odd that I first pointed out explicitly that the Spirit often brings back to mind statements said, not entirely unlike memory, but I got specific there. Describing explicitly how it is different from memory.)
(Is that really something that I would know, if I was this totally confused and crazy person?)
Anyway… I have made statements explicit on prophecy time to time, explicitly on Revelation. I do not expect people to remember or even notice what I say, quite often.
However.
(Typically, I look to much to go into their “unconscious” notice, bypassing the defenses of the “conscious”. Hello, conscious mind. I totally do this with you. Making you aware of this won’t help. I am, professional Ninja!)
So, what do I say on this. As you can see above, I talked much about Revelation, but nothing on specifics of future telling in terms of “where we are now” in it. Likewise, I talk much on the apocalypse scenarios as stated by Jesus, as stated in the gospels. But, typically, in a similar vein of mostly future tense and generalities.
So, am I a premillenialist? A “amillenialist”? Did you know the official Catholic stance is amillenialist?! Literally. How many know that. They believe we have been in the “thousand years” for well over a thousand years now. I am not sure if it is also official or not, but they view it as possibly as having ended at the Reformation.
Apparently, they have a short memory, and forget about the Orthodox break around 1000 AD?
Am I a post-trib or pre-tribber?
Or what. What are my eschatological views?
Well, what I often say here, is despite my extensive experience on these matters? None of the above. All wrapped in a very big, very firm, “I do not know”. I like to go further, and point out, I am a good researcher. I have certainly researched existing dogma out there.
I have found all the mainstream viewpoints to be nothing but possible theories with little evidence, at best.
At worst, it is absolutely despicable, illogical, like the web of a spider that was given LSD.
(Notice how common it is for people to make such statements like that. Probably a hallmark of my real ordinariness and further confirmation all I am saying is delusional, crazy, evil lies, perhaps… what? This is sarcasm, btw. Sarcasm comes from the Greek, “to rend the flesh”. Am I a dog or pig rending your flesh? Angels say they are often sarcastic, which may or may not be invariably true, however I do not believe that is what that sort of sarcasm is about. Quite blatantly, it may be a bit jarring, and help folks come to their senses. Especially when facing an EXTREMELY UNUSUAL situation. As I am. As this is.)
(Unless, of course, you are an angel. Which I believe so. However! Again. This is the role and act you have me doing.)
(Nothing wrong with hypothetics, anyway.)
(Normally, and probably future, won’t make such disclaimers.)
So, yes, studied it all. Did not immediately approach as dogmatic bullshit. Tried to consider it “all” very seriously. Scoured the history books. Read the whole Philokalia, which most Protestants and Catholics have no idea even what that is. Decades ago. Read a lot of ancient Jewish stuff. Trust fund, library, 90s. A lot of it. Internet, telecommute, fast reader with good memory. Past twenty some odd years. Rich family growing up, intellectual, well read. So I could buy every book I wanted. They filled my walls and room.
I still, sometimes, if not always in one sense, certainly look for new ideas. I am always at watch, and everyday comparing and contrasting and considering possibilities.
In my own life, in terms of specifics of apocalyptic prophecy, I see much explanation by the way of my specific, strange experiences. What previously was vague, now is very clear.
For instance, how to fix the big mainstream problem of erroneous belief I just posted about? Simple. Introduce scale. That will change folks preferences. Change their preferences, change their beliefs.
You like to say how Christ is really good for everyone, but many do not know it. You should consider that statement and the post I am referring to, deeply.
It leads one to a very rewarding and illuminating conclusion.
I mean, simplistic view, of course, is scale is introduced when Christ and the Saints and Angels are revealed… ‘the earth its’ self, all of creation its’ self, groans for the day of revealing of the children of God’…
More simple, more far reaching view.
Scale is missing. Introduce scale, and ignorance is admitted, preferences are changed. Which Jesus describes quite well and powerfully in his metaphors/parables on the apocalypse.
But, no, I have zero details on specifics of Revelation timelines.
I would love to know, try even everyday, but never find the shoes which as yet fit.
“People can be negative teachers and we can choose to take that lesson negatively. But we can also choose to use it positively.
People can be powerful positive teachers, and we can choose to take that negatively.
What the other chooses to do is within their arena of authority and what we choose to do is within our arena of authority.”
And people can be total conceited and arrogant assholes and teach a lot of negative lessons.
Anyway, thanks for your vast wisdom sharing to me in my ever deep canal of Hell.
Maybe you can send God an email on my behalf, begging him to save me from my terrible sin and blasphemy against you for daring to think you are wrong about me living in a world largely comprised of angels in disguise.
Usually the most negative teachers have invested their very soul and destruction in their message. We should at least take due note and wring the greatest positive from it spiritually possible.
Those are all words from you, not me.
Any thoughts on why you judge yourself so harshly when I certainly don’t?
Again was operating as if you were just a regular human being, where that strategy is quite simple, no one can feel good about doing that and so it would raise doubt and a stop sign.
It may be that I want to believe that I can find and talk with human beings from an ego level, to see where they are coming from. I know one big thing I really wanted to be so, was the idea of other humans beings looking into these matters. That then would seem that it would bring about the end of the world in a fascinating way. But, these things are, indeed, unspiritual, egotistical, and foolish.
So, instead, it is better to simply watch and wait until I get further direction within.
That does seem wise.
My input is to remember that the Holy Spirit “moves-through-all-things” (to use a Native aphorism).
So direction, comes from “all directions”. Internal; external; through people; through Nature; through experience; through what does and even what doesn’t happen when we try to apply spiritual exercises like prayer.
I think you can see that I still do suffer from foolish ego at times. Not as much as I used to because like you, I’m in-process. But I register zero competition between us.
The Spiritual path is a magnificently expansive one. Insights are collective; with the Spirit leading us to the right ones at exactly the right time: whether internally, externally; whether magnificently profound or passingly curious. We should have the mindset of the student — eyes always open, always ready for a new lesson from wherever it might come.
“Perhaps part of the problem is that we are so easily “wounded”; and so very few people remember how to heal themselves. (Just like our bodies forget how to defend against infection with the over-reliance on antibiotics and sanitizers to do this for us!)”
Just noting, I did block you, will maybe or maybe not again. May just keep my responses more trivial, as you seem to take having actually annoyed me after six months of negative behavior towards me finally getting to me.
If you are hoping to cause me greater consternation, this lasts about as long as I post. An hour or so. Then, I return to my regularly scheduled fantastically magical life that is beyond people’s wildest imagination.
As for telling me that I don’t really live in a vast organization of angels in disguise as humans on planet earth, for the fiftieth million time, you are correct! (Taking a negative viewpoint, not really. Sorry.)
Or, maybe I just continue to ignore your silly misunderstandings and incapability to consider your self wrong, and only beef it all up.
I also have immense psychic powers and actually control over a lot of people events, too.
Put in cup, shake it up, drink it.
And repeating what I said earlier, again, yeah, I don’t know. It is horrible to be so unspiritual and so be stuck living in a virtual army from Heaven already on the ground on planet earth hiding right in plain sight. What a crazy, remarkable life I live!
Worse, I get most of my spiritual food from movies and tv, which has been taken control of and is piping it out around the world twenty four seven. Rock music is also totally part of the conspiracy. And most other forms of music.
Ozzy Osbourne and the Butthole Surfers are with us.
And, yes, we really do also control all of the governments of the world, also.
Nothing happens that God does not okay or deny. Nothing.
Human beings under the age of a 100 are as mere infants. No way would God really allow them to control the world, or even the smallest of governments.
What are people thinking.
Causing consternation is not my drive or focus. Growing awareness of the kingdom of Truth, is.
Remember that all I have said is that I can neither judge nor validate your spiritual networks or dispensations. Any more than you can mine.
Any validation will come from how we choose to use them, and their Kingdom effect over time.
“Remember that all I have said is that I can neither judge nor validate your spiritual networks or dispensations. Any more than you can mine.
Any validation will come from how we choose to use them, and their Kingdom effect over time.”
Well, you can judge my sometimes goofiness negatively, and maybe sometimes it should or can be so judged. But what happens to me and what has happened to me, certainly can not vanish because you do not believe it! Lol.
Lol. I once had an old lady (I suppose she was) tell me, on me writing about the transfiguration I saw, that I should have just snapped my fingers right at that and make it go away, lol.
Another was a friend who disbelieved me because I spoke of the turmoil I went through afterwards, and still had a bit here and there. He stated that God can only make people happy, so my turmoil was evidence it didn’t really happen!
It is amazing to me how people can so be very sure about things that they have no idea on.
Never even mind that the very way I learned to generally keep my mouth shut in the first place (which was, in retrospect, very necessary for progression), was being diagnosed crazy … because medical science does not allow for miracles to actually happen.
I can certainly be deluded and go temporarily insane, though. And have, over the years, here and there. I still can under stress. But if you are wondering, I can also look back and see the things I was saying, and realize I was actually saying the truth. Just it was in some weird metaphor.
That is I was misinterpreting things, or aspects of things, but I could still see, in retrospect, how one could deduce from what I was saying – if they knew the real facts and best interpretation – what really happened.
And this, its’ self, is not politic.
But, I have some edge. One, is time. Two, is, ultimately, these things will be shown to all. Jesus speaks quite plainly of these things in his relation of the end times. Everyone sees “as angels all around them” in one form or fashion or another, where before they just saw ordinary people.
But, the main thing to realize here is, for me, I have all I want. I want more, but that has nothing to do with you nor anyone not God. I am writing to you kind of out of curiosity. How do people think? How do they relate? What are their responses? What are their barriers?
Because I have seen many ways angels can appear as regular people and then reveal themselves. Your condition especially makes this easy, as you are on the road a lot, so must meet a lot of strangers. It is especially easy for people to accept an angel as a stranger.
Further, my viewpoint is not as an individual who is rogue or alone, but as a part of something much bigger.
There are also no ordinary dividing lines.
In a company, everyone is part of the corporate structure, but everyone is very much in it for their own selves. Some want to advance. Some want to get praise. Black John and white Susan and hispanic Jose and Vietnamese Fred… the sort of environment I work in, a lot of people doing many different things, but everyone is really the same person.
Not exactly, but more that way, then the other way.
A bunch of clones, and I am one of them.
The real fear and aversion anyone has is also becoming one of us, a clone like us.
That is what the second death beckons.
I am absolutely NOT trying to invalidate anything from your past. It is neither my job nor my authority.
And if I judge your goofy negativity I would be a hypocrite. I used to be negative all the time; and I still can be goofy! (or daffy, depending on the mood!). You’re a compadre; a fellow-journeyer. A physical Human, just like me: prone to all the glories and foibles that are common to Man.
Consider that judging others is a form of spiritual energy procurement. If our energy requirements are already abundantly met, we don’t need to vampire it from others in games of comparison and control. And if we have an abundance, we can “afford” to entertain others trying to vamp it off of us. (Though what they gain is tainted by the procurement process and of very limited value to power spiritual gifts , learning or exercise).
“He stated that God can only make people happy, so my turmoil was evidence it didn’t really happen!”
Yet another manifestation of the great lie. The Jesus didn’t come with the promise of “happiness”, but joy. They are patently different — and in spiritually critical ways.
What most people trust to give them their “surety” is just their flesh, feeling, emotion: specifically, their “happiness” or “unhappiness”. But this is fallacious because the foundation of these is 100% in the flesh (the feelings). Joy transcends feelings (“the joy that passes all understanding”, “joy in suffering” etc)
You’re in good company because people charged Jesus (and later the Apostles) with being crazy!
And like you, stress draws me back into the purely physical. (This is why I let you know when my responses come at a time of work/travel-related stress; so you can factor this into what I offer).
I hear you about “people knowing the real facts” [of a situation?]. Is this why you sometimes go into such detail?
I’m actively trying to limit this in my replies, because I see it as something Jesus modeled. I also consider Ecc 5:7, 6:11, Pro 10:19, 1 Cor 2:14. And Jesus knew that He simply could not give sufficient “facts” to help the flesh understand things of the Spirit; for they are Spiritually discerned.
I see exercises of the Spirit in people all around me. Messengers are only necessary when one has made themselves remote from the Sender.
“In a company, everyone is part of the corporate structure, but everyone is very much in it for their own selves”
In Scriptural references to the body of Christ, I see a training up to a different kind of existence and kingdom: one where the corporate structure is not selfish. The selfish quest for spiritual energy is what drives the flesh — totally overlooking that flesh opposes Spirit and Spirit stands contrary to flesh. So the limited amounts of spiritual energy our flesh can handle, are always being depleted — having us operate “in deficit” (which is why following the path of Christ is seen by many as such a chore).
But when the Spirit flows in and through us, the path becomes a peaceful joy (the two gifts the angels proclaimed at Christ’s birth) and all spiritual vampire/rechargeable battery games of the flesh cease.
The “similarity” that makes us all one, is that aspect of each of us that is created in God’s image. That is why we are never closer to God, than when we are face-to-face with another person made in His image.
I think you probably would save us both a lot of time if you avoiding going over ego concepts, and such, or the danger of being fleshy versus spiritual. But, do as you must…
“I hear you about “people knowing the real facts” [of a situation?]. Is this why you sometimes go into such detail?
I’m actively trying to limit this in my replies, because I see it as something Jesus modeled. I also consider Ecc 5:7, 6:11, Pro 10:19, 1 Cor 2:14. And Jesus knew that He simply could not give sufficient “facts” to help the flesh understand things of the Spirit; for they are Spiritually discerned.”
I tend to inject scripture indirectly, implicitly, or often paraphrase, expecting – trusting – the Spirit to follow.
This said, I can get really deep into scriptural exegesis, but again, Jesus did not bother with this, trusting the Spirit.
God may never open this door for you. I am well aware of this.
There is one verse which keeps coming to mind, which you seem stuck on with me, which is about people who are unspiritual and went on with their experiences and talk about angels. You can continue to have this as an improper application, if you wish, though it makes no matter to me. It certainly does not apply to me.
I am sorry you think it does.
In computer security, though I have a rarefied, scary resume, jaw dropping, when I go anonymous on security forums, I can have people dismiss my expertise because of one thing I say… they apply some rule to it, thinking they know so much better, and then present me as a fraud, fake, someone without my experience.
Funny thing is, I can conversely post on linkedin, and anyone can just look at my resume. They shut up then.
On these matters, everything is fiction to you, and I understand that.
Like I said, I used to dismiss this angel as a drunk, because he did drink with me. And I do mean we had knock down drinkathons. Now, do I say everyone who engages in such an experience is a literal alcoholic? No. But, for whatever reason, I wanted to apply that rule to him.
Though, it is also true, I found myself often right back at that big question mark.
Which should have been a big clue to me that I was not as confident on my dismissal as I wanted to be.
“”I hear you about “people knowing the real facts” [of a situation?]. Is this why you sometimes go into such detail?”
Truth? You won’t like it. I am an old soul with a lot of background, and the answers come instantly to me, but can take a lot of words to explain fairly.
Even then, usually the full picture is not captured until much later.
Truth. How does one explain to people extremely alien things. Alien to themselves personally, alien to their world?
I can and sometimes do this sort of thing on many matters where I have had a lot of time, research, work.
I read a lot myself, and fast, and have an extremely good comprehension level and memory.
Reality is I am known for normally being quiet, and generally do hold my tongue. For instance, at work, or with family.
How much do you read? How much of that is on matters of the world?
It is true, before I read the Bible, a guy asked me a question. How often do I read the news. Everyday! And yet, I had not even read the Bible which I was professing to believe.
More importantly, I am entrusted with some critical and very important information, and I am trying to figure out if I have the responsibility to share it in an ad hoc manner with anyone, or whether if I do talk to others I just not tell them about the whole “oh yes, it is the end of the world, and this is not some guess on my part” thing.
It was not easy to learn to be comfortable with this knowledge. It has taken decades. There were times I… one time I shaved all the hair off my body and went on the downtown streets preaching.
Many such things.